Discus Crosses (The Good, The Bad, The Ugly)

[Justice]

I think it would be interesting as well as educational to see Discus Crosses that Members have bred.

If possible Both Parent's as well as the resulting Offspring regardless of "Good, Bad or Ugly" results.

[pinoysport]

Here you go. Here is one of my science experiments. lol JK . .I wonder what they will throw.

[NunoDinis]

I think they're going to throw a bunch of PB.
It's just a hunch. But if you read a litle bit about genetics you're gona find that, its just because the male seems to bee a PB. Am i right?

[MostlyDiscus]

EWWW.... I am going to have fun with this thread. I have albino tangerine cross at 15 month of age, tangerine 3R crosses, panda albino crosses, panda 3R crosses. If there were a title of mad doctor, I would hold it. Pics soon to follow. Great thread btw


Ed

[Eddie]

EWWW.... I am going to have fun with this thread. I have albino tangerine cross at 15 month of age, tangerine 3R crosses, panda albino crosses, panda 3R crosses. If there were a title of mad doctor, I would hold it. Pics soon to follow. Great thread btw


Ed


Can't wait for pictures Ed!

[pinoysport]

I think they're going to throw a bunch of PB.
It's just a hunch. But if you read a litle bit about genetics you're gona find that, its just because the male seems to bee a PB. Am i right?

Yes.. M is PB

[vera]

Here you go. Here is one of my science experiments. lol JK . .I wonder what they will throw.


Is it Albino PB pinoysport ?nice pair btw

[CliffsDiscus]

EWWW.... I am going to have fun with this thread. I have albino tangerine cross at 15 month of age, tangerine 3R crosses, panda albino crosses, panda 3R crosses. If there were a title of mad doctor, I would hold it. Pics soon to follow. Great thread btw


Ed

Hi Ed,
I see you are not the only one with the Albino crosses too.

Cliff

[pinoysport]

Is it Albino PB pinoysport ?nice pair btw

Hey Vera..... Thanks...

No hes not albno. He does have a golden base under the white body and very very little peppering for a pigeon just on the outter fins.

[pinoysport]

Hi Ed,
I see you are not the only one with the Albino crosses too.

Cliff


EWWW.... I am going to have fun with this thread. I have albino tangerine cross at 15 month of age, tangerine 3R crosses, panda albino crosses, panda 3R crosses. If there were a title of mad doctor, I would hold it. Pics soon to follow. Great thread btw


Ed

Hey there... Like Eddie said I would love to see those crosses.

[vera]

Hey Vera..... Thanks...

No hes not albno. He does have a golden base under the white body and very very little peppering for a pigeon just on the outter fins.

I had Red Maze crossed with Rustica (just refer the base color )Snake Skin and had lots of peppering on fry
here is a shot of parents

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/vera80/Red%20Maze%20x%20SS%20babies/zz062.jpg

[pinoysport]

I had Red Maze crossed with Rustica (just refer the base color )Snake Skin and had lots of peppering on fry
here is a shot of parents

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/vera80/Red%20Maze%20x%20SS%20babies/zz062.jpg

yes yours look really similar.. did the peppering ever go away?

[vera]

yes yours look really similar.. did the peppering ever go away?
Today 01:43 PM

with the white background very ltl to non peppering there is , but in the planted tank it shows a lot
im going to revive my old thread on them and will attach pictures to what fry turn to be
dont know in yr case tho' ,, they might carrie dif genes and have very ltl peppering

[acroken]

Here is a few pictures of some dirty birds. This is a BD female and Calico/ dirty red white male cross outcome. i have culled all but 10 of the non peppered offspring. They are 8 months old now and pretty nice for a cross. They are colored like their dad and growing well. I will post some updated pictures tomorrow.
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/1firstculling-1.jpg
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/2DirtyBirds-1.jpg
[IMG][IMG]http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/3SomePotential-1.jpg http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/4Iamlikingshape-1.jpg http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/5Lastculling.jpg
final cullhttp://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/7TransferMale.jpg http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/8PrettyBoy.jpg http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/9NewlyWeds.jpg http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/10BD9MONTH.jpg http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/11YoungFemales.jpghttp://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/IMG_0538-2.jpg

[pinoysport]

Here is a few pictures of some dirty birds. This is a BD female and Calico/ dirty red white male cross outcome. i have culled all but 10 of the non peppered offspring. They are 8 months old now and pretty nice for a cross. They are colored like their dad and growing well. I will post some updated pictures tomorrow.

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/2DirtyBirds-1.jpg
[IMG][IMG]http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/Operation%20Dirty%20Birds/3SomePotential-1.jpg

thanks for the pics.. so these were culled? or are these the ones that lost their peppering?

[acroken]

thanks for the pics.. so these were culled? or are these the ones that lost their peppering?most culled,. kept 10 which have no peppering and great shape. kinda look like the male. I update tomorrow.

Kenny

[DiscusKev]

Wow Vera, that look pretty cool! Ima check out that thread now :)

Good job Kenny, they have a very nice shape, this thread is getting more and more interesting :D

[Eddie]

Kenny, is that a pair of albino that spawned in the community tank? Thanks for posting the dirty birds for others to see. Love the shape of them though.

[acroken]

Kenny, is that a pair of albino that spawned in the community tank? Thanks for posting the dirty birds for others to see. Love the shape of them though.

Yeah albino spotted. I never pulled them but once this fish room is completed they are getting their own place. I know they will be a good pair, show all the right stuff. I have 4 albinos in there,3 females and a male. I have plans for the females and it has something to do with the contest fish:D as far as the dirty birds, their father has great shape IMO and that was a part of the cross that went sour for the most part. Thanks Eddie

[Eddie]

Yeah albino spotted. I never pulled them but once this fish room is completed they are getting their own place. I know they will be a good pair, show all the right stuff. I have 4 albinos in there,3 females and a male. I have plans for the females and it has something to do with the contest fish:D as far as the dirty birds, their father has great shape IMO and that was a part of the cross that went sour for the most part. Thanks Eddie


Awesome! Can't wait to see the Albinos with fry! Oh and especially those contest fish!

Take care,

Eddie

[acroken]

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/IMG_2613.jpg[/IMG]

Here is what the BD/ Calico's look like today. i know this is a terrible photo but there is no lighting in this temp set up. They have a pretty cool spotted pattern and blue sheen. I may keep working with these guys?

Kenny

[acroken]

Here is a Tony Tan spotted and Red Turk cross. The first two are the parents and the final two are the offspring. Again i know the last photos are horrible for a few reason but gives you an idea of the out come. The female here did not make the cut into the new house so i am going to breed a female offspring back to dad. These photos do not do these guys any justice.
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/1TTSpootedredandredturk1.jpg
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/2TTSpottedandredturk2.jpg
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/3SpottedRTcross3.jpg
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss50/acroken/4SpottedRTcross4.jpg

I have a few more to add to this post but i will not embarrass myself with horrible photos. I'll post more crosses once they are in their new room:D

Kenny

[Tito]

most culled,. kept 10 which have no peppering and great shape. kinda look like the male. I update tomorrow.

Kenny

In the future - you don't have to cull - you can give them to your local petshop and someone can give them a home. When you think about it - about the only fish that should be culled are hybrids - domestic discus crosses aren't really hybrids. I just hate to see fish killed if they don't have to be.

[pinoysport]

In the future - you don't have to cull - you can give them to your local petshop and someone can give them a home. When you think about it - about the only fish that should be culled are hybrids - domestic discus crosses aren't really hybrids. I just hate to see fish killed if they don't have to be.

what is considered a hybrid? arent they all hybrid?

[DiscusOnly]

In the future - you don't have to cull - you can give them to your local petshop and someone can give them a home. When you think about it - about the only fish that should be culled are hybrids - domestic discus crosses aren't really hybrids. I just hate to see fish killed if they don't have to be.

First I am going to assume that Kenny's definition of culling is to kill off the less desirable ones.

Giving it to a local fish store. Isn't that as bad as putting killing them out yourself? We see enough complaints about how bad discus are at LFS.

In the brief face to face meeting I had with Kenny last month, he comes across as a true discus hobbyist.

Just my .02

[acroken]

In the future - you don't have to cull - you can give them to your local petshop and someone can give them a home. When you think about it - about the only fish that should be culled are hybrids - domestic discus crosses aren't really hybrids. I just hate to see fish killed if they don't have to be.

If you breed discus,culling is an important part of the process. Not all offspring of any pair are of good quaility.There is always a % of a spawn that is not of marketable quaility. I think this is even more important when dealing with crosses. When you cross two fish you never really know what you are going to come out with unless you know exactly that they are a true strain and sometimes that is still a gamble. It is a hard thing for a lot of people to accept and that is why not everyone should breed these fish. Poor quaility discus should never be sold or given away IMO. I would never give or sell anyone a fish that I would not have for myself. Poor quaility discus being sold only hurts the industry and the people who work hard to breed disus of high quaility.

[Aquaben19]

If you breed discus,culling is an important part of the process. Not all offspring of any pair are if good quaility.IMO there is always a % of a spawn that is not of marketable quaility. I think this is even more important when dealing with crosses. When you cross two fish you never really know what you are going to come out with unless you know exactly that they are a true strain and sometimes that is still a gamble. It is a hard thing for a lot of people to accept and that is why not everyone should breed these fish. Poor quaility discus should never be sold or given away IMO. I would never give or sell anyone a fish that I would not have for myself. Poor quaility discus being sold only hurts the industry and the people who work hard to breed disus of high quaility.

^What he said^

[Justice]

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Here is what the BD/ Calico's look like today. i know this is a terrible photo but there is no lighting in this temp set up. They have a pretty cool spotted pattern and blue sheen. I may keep working with these guys?

KennyKenny I think that is a neat looking Discus, I like it.

[ockyra215]

Kenny,
I love the Bd/Calico cross if you want to part ith one Id take 1 off your hands.
I love the shading and spots.Let me know.Hows the fish room coming.

Com on guys I dont have any pairs at the moment I love to see what people have concocted in to homebred strains!:D

[j_li8]

I'd have to agree that BD/Calico cross is pretty cool with the blue fins and red/white body.

[CliffsDiscus]

Kenny,
Very nice cross wonder how they would look if crossed out with an albino.

Cliff

[ockyra215]

Does anyone else have a crazy cross to show? I know some of you guys have some pretty cool frankenstien discus out there!:D

[ericatdallas]

bump, we should build a Simply Discus Catalog of Strains/Crosses... and by we, I mean, those of you that have pairs and that are experimenting :P

[Eddie]

bump, we should build a Simply Discus Catalog of Strains/Crosses... and by we, I mean, those of you that have pairs and that are experimenting :P

Already done

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?71055-Strain-List-for-Beginners-(pictures)

[keef]

This is a great thread! :) I have a real ugbug growing out, he is the result of a BD and Blue Turk, which shouldn't be too bad as such (I thought they would throw Blue Knight(ish) offspring but this one in particular is just weird. Also have a funny juvie San Merah which kinda has no caudal peduncle so his dorsal/caudal fins meet straight at his tail. As his tail is uncoloured it has made a perfect heart shape. The fish seems to be thriving so will keep him going as a curiosity but weird all the same. Will try to get some pics up in a bit...

[ericatdallas]

Already done

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?71055-Strain-List-for-Beginners-(pictures)

Ahh, but I'm talking about the "bad" crosses too... and how certain crosses lead to certain "strains".

[vera]

This is a great thread! :) I have a real ugbug growing out, he is the result of a BD and Blue Turk, which shouldn't be too bad as such (I thought they would throw Blue Knight(ish) offspring but this one in particular is just weird. Also have a funny juvie San Merah which kinda has no caudal peduncle so his dorsal/caudal fins meet straight at his tail. As his tail is uncoloured it has made a perfect heart shape. The fish seems to be thriving so will keep him going as a curiosity but weird all the same. Will try to get some pics up in a bit...

we need pictures!