What else can i try?

[mugzy213]

I still have a couple of pairs laying white eggs. I have dropped my TDS to 60. My temp is 83. ph is at 7.0. Out of 100 maybe 5 make it..

Their diet is live black worms, FBH, and seafood mix and some pellets

Also as I watched the female laying her eggs I noticed that some had all ready started turning white as she was laying them. what does that mean?


what else can i try?

I have included a video, just show white eggs.. I got the new iphone and trying it out:)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/Discus213/th_IMG_0001.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/Discus213/?action=view&current=IMG_0001.mp4)

[deepflyball]

Are these young pairs?? And your getting wigglers right??? What type of filtration are you running???
Jerry

[mugzy213]

Are these young pairs?? And your getting wigglers right??? What type of filtration are you running???
Jerry

there about 2 years they were laying eggs like crazy in my MT and then moved them and now white eggs

I only have a sponge filter. should i have a filter? I change the water 40% daily (aged)

[deepflyball]

Have you tryed methylene blue?? And what % of RO water?? Man just need more imfo.
Jerry

[mugzy213]

Have you tryed methylene blue?? And what % of RO water?? Man just need more imfo.
Jerry

Sorry Jerry,

I do not use ro water. Out of the tap it's 024 ppm. So I add limestone to my storage barrels to get it up to 60 ppm.

[Eddie]

Also, what type is that blue fish? Can't see the video well.

[mugzy213]

Also, what type is that blue fish? Can't see the video well.

I was told a blue cobalt. Is that what it is?

[deepflyball]

Ok water is good. filtration is good. Have you had wigglers????????? And have you tryed methylene blue for fungus??
Jerry

[mugzy213]

Ok water is good. filtration is good. Have you had wigglers????????? And have you tryed methylene blue for fungus??
Jerry

No never even heard of it?

What the method?

[deepflyball]

Hello Eddie nice to have you buddy
Jerry

[Eddie]

I was told a blue cobalt. Why?

Really depends, some blue strains can take longer to develop, around 2 years. Mainly Blue Diamonds but have seen Blue Snakes take that long too. The male may not be fully mature yet so he is not producing milt. This is just a guess but if all other areas are covered, could be an option. Just throwing that out there.

Eddie

[deepflyball]

Have you had wigglers or eggs that hatcher?????? If not you may not have a pair. Or you male may not have any lead in his pencie ( young males

Jerry

[deepflyball]

Have you had wigglers or eggs that hatched?????? If not you may not have a pair. Or you male may not have any lead in his pencil ( young males) or 2 females

Jerry

[mugzy213]

Really depends, some blue strains can take longer to develop, around 2 years. Mainly Blue Diamonds but have seen Blue Snakes take that long too. The male may not be fully mature yet so he is not producing milt. This is just a guess but if all other areas are covered, could be an option. Just throwing that out there.

Eddie

Thanks Eddie!,

When they where in the main tank they were popping them out like candy as soon as I moved them it's been a total white out.

[mugzy213]

Have you had wigglers or eggs that hatched?????? If not you may not have a pair. Or you male may not have any lead in his pencil ( young males) or 2 females

Jerry

Sorry again Jerry doing 4 things at once. Yeah proven pair.

Does this mean anything I was watching the the female pig blood lay the eggs and. Not 3 mins later some started turning white.

[deepflyball]

I would try some methylene blue. Its cheep and i have found it to work well on fungus. Also its fish and egg friendly. I use it on all my pairs to get max hatch rate
Jerry

[Eddie]

Hello Eddie nice to have you buddy
Jerry

Hey there Jerry! You got this, just wondered if the fish was mature enough yet.

Okay Mugzy, if they have had wrigglers before, the fish is definitely mature. :D

[mugzy213]

I would try some methylene blue. Its cheep and i have found it to work well on fungus. Also its fish and egg friendly. I use it on all my pairs to get max hatch rate
Jerry

Hey Jerry

Thanks for your help!

Not really sure how to use it.

When should I put it in before eggs? After they have been laid? How much and how long ?

Thanks

[mugzy213]

never mind i found it a couple treads down:) thx for your help!

[deepflyball]

Its easy just squirt it in the water and the water will turn a blue color. Should be able to pick it up at pet smart or one of the others. Keep us posted and good luck.
Jerry

[mugzy213]

The meth blue is just stopping the fungus from forming right?

Having 95 % of white means the male is not doing it job? Will meth blue help?

[deepflyball]

All the meth blue does is control fungus. You said they were proven so i think your male is ok.

Jerry

[mugzy213]

Update: All eggs but one turn white. And now there all gone. This is the 3 straigt time that the eggs have done this. Does this mean there done as breeders?

[mmorris]

This is the 3 straigt time that the eggs have done this. Does this mean there done as breeders?

3? That's it? 3? They've barely begun! My sapphires took 8 goes. Now they produce small batches, but I can count on them. I have a turq pair now on at least 7 goes. Maybe they'll get it right; maybe they won't. Discus breeding takes patience. I have no idea why the eggs were white when she laid them. Perhaps there was something wrong with them to begin with. Sorry- can't help you there.

[mugzy213]

Update. Another batch of eggs and all 100% turned white..

My tds was 59. Should I try taking down further?

[Eddie]

Update. Another batch of eggs and all 100% turned white..

My tds was 59. Should I try taking down further?


So the male has fertilized in the past (wrigglers). How old is he?

[Disgirl]

Update. Another batch of eggs and all 100% turned white..

My tds was 59. Should I try taking down further?

Maybe the "magic cones" you will be getting will make a difference!
Barb:D

[mugzy213]

So the male has fertilized in the past (wrigglers). How old is he?

Barb, I sure hope so:) I can't wait:)

Yeah Eddie he has, he is also about 2 years old.

I'm really confused???

Is there something I'm overlooking?
There isn't much flow maybe hot pockets?

[mmorris]

Thanks Eddie!,

When they where in the main tank they were popping them out like candy as soon as I moved them it's been a total white out.

Does this mean the eggs were hatching in the main tank?

[mugzy213]

Does this mean the eggs were hatching in the main tank?
Yeah, I had them seperated in my mt with poet foam and I had like 7 spawns in 4 months.
Then the fry were really damaging the male so I moved him into a 20 gal to get back to health and during that time the female paired up with a different male and all of those eggs turned white. I didn't think much of it. Now I moved the female back with her first mate and ever since it been about 95% white.

She does it sound like there done?

[Altum Nut]

Sorry Jerry,

I do not use ro water. Out of the tap it's 024 ppm. So I add limestone to my storage barrels to get it up to 60 ppm.

Hi mugzy213 ,

What meter are you using to test you tds???
Could it be possible that your meters conditivity reading should be multiplied by 10 and could possibly be why male cannot fertilize eggs???? Maybe 600ppm
Just a suggestion,

...Ralph

[mugzy213]

Hi mugzy213 ,

What meter are you using to test you tds???
Could it be possible that your meters conditivity reading should be multiplied by 10 and could possibly be why male cannot fertilize eggs???? Maybe 600ppm
Just a suggestion,

...Ralph

Hey Ralph,

It's a tds-3 tds/temp
By hm digital.

I don't have the directions but I don't remember it saying anything about * by 10.

I also have a gh and kh test kit and it pretty much backs up the results from the meter. Very soft water.

Hmmm.

[Eddie]

Very strange. If all else fails, try putting the pair on a diet with Pro-More supplement. Its worth a shot if everything else fails. Strange to me though. :confused:

[mugzy213]

Very strange. If all else fails, try putting the pair on a diet with Pro-More supplement. Its worth a shot if everything else fails. Strange to me though. :confused:

Pro-More supplement is what? I tried doing a search and got whey protein. Where do you get it from?

[Eddie]

Pro-More supplement is what? I tried doing a search and got whey protein. Where do you get it from?

My bad, its a product made by Andrew Soh that increases fertility and conditions breeders. David with IGO PRO should have it or be able to get it for you.

Eddie

[mugzy213]

My bad, its a product made by Andrew Soh that increases fertility and conditions breeders. David with IGO PRO should have it or be able to get it for you.

Eddie

Thanks I'll give him a yell.

[mugzy213]

Ok i now have another pair with white eggs...

It got to be something I'm missing? I'm going to post alot of pictures:)

there diet is Live black worms,FBH, Eddie's Cfood mix, spectrum pellets and flakes, WC's are 50% daily.

Temp is at 82

my water out of the tap is 024 PPM...

so I added limestone rock to my storage barrels to get a TDS reading of 056.

I have ordered pro-more supplement but it in the mail...


this new pair is 2 1/2 year old

is there something I'm missing?

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/Discus213/7d480cce.jpg
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/Discus213/f8933a99.jpg
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/Discus213/b4880fe8.jpg

[nc0gnet0]

Is this the same breeding surface you used when you had wigglers? I am wondering if maybe it is a male positioning problem where the male isn't getting close enough to the eggs? Perhaps adding some height to the surface would give him a longer run at it and help him get into position?

[boxters]

sometimes it is possible for the females to lay unviable eggs. Unless you have seen these fish produce wrigglers i would also bare in mind you may have 2 females.

[mugzy213]

Is this the same breeding surface you used when you had wigglers? I am wondering if maybe it is a male positioning problem where the male isn't getting close enough to the eggs? Perhaps adding some height to the surface would give him a longer run at it and help him get into position?

Yeah same surface, but they are in a smaller tank 20 instead of 55.
I have Barb's swril cones coming soon:)


sometimes it is possible for the females to lay unviable eggs. Unless you have seen these fish produce wrigglers i would also bare in mind you may have 2 females.

Yeah that have produced wigglers:)

thanks guy ill just wait and see what happens when i get the pro-more and barbs cones!:)