Buying Metro to treat Hole in the Head

[thang45]

Hello everyone,

Can anyone please tell me the differences between the 500 Grams Metronidazole Powder from http://www.nationalfishpharm.com at $125 vs http://www.jehmco.com at $40? NFP metro can be mixed with food but jehmco metro cannot.

aren't they the same thing?

My discus are having hole in the head or Head and Lateral Line Erosion.

I have tried both meds for few weeks now and I think the hole is still getting bigger.

I followed the dosage recommendation and added once a day for 10 days. Anyways, I think I should have raised the water temp to 90-92F and dose 400mg/10g every 8 hours. Have anyone successfully treated this disease with metro?

I'm feeding my discus with Colorbits and beefheart mix. Can someone please recommend food with calcium enriched.

Thanks

[seanyuki]

My guess is the percentage of purity of Metro could lead a difference in prices.....try adding spinach to your beefheart mixture or get some calcium citrate from any health food store.

[thang45]

My guess is the percentage of purity of Metro could lead a difference in prices.....try adding spinach to your beefheart mixture or get some calcium citrate from any health food store.

Does anyone know the percentage of purity for each?

I think I did add some spinach to my mix. Calcium citriate, can you tell me the brand.

thanks

[seanyuki]

Try getting the calcium citrate in powder form & add 500 mg to the beefheart......clean water also helps the heal HITH.

Now Natural Foods

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsAlphabetically/074573.htm

online store

http://www.nowfoods.com/StoreFinder/NOWinCanada/index.htm

[thang45]

Try getting the calcium citrate in powder form & add 500 mg to the beefheart......clean water also helps the heal HITH.

Now Natural Foods

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsAlphabetically/074573.htm

online store

http://www.nowfoods.com/StoreFinder/NOWinCanada/index.htm

thank you for the links.

Yeah, I have been doing 50% WC almost everyday.

This weekend I even cleaned out all the filters.


I'm going to combine Oxytetracycline and Metronidazole, hopefully they can recover.

[Vern Archer]

If I might add
Vitamin "D" works in conjunction with calcium and phosphate and, if they are deficient, the result can lead to "Hole in the Head" disease. (Vitamin "D", should be aprox. 400 I.U. per kilogram of beef-heart mix). Also Spinach is now known to leach calcium so I would recomend using red lettuce for calcium content for your mix.
v

[thang45]

If I might add
Vitamin "D" works in conjunction with calcium and phosphate and, if they are deficient, the result can lead to "Hole in the Head" disease. (Vitamin "D", should be aprox. 400 I.U. per kilogram of beef-heart mix). Also Spinach is now known to leach calcium so I would recomend using red lettuce for calcium content for your mix.
v

Thank you. I didn't know.

Is there off the shelf pellets food that I can buy that has Calcium?

[snowflake311]

I have treated HITH a few times. I have had a few rescues come to me looking really bad. Every time I never used meds. We under estimate what vitamines and clean water can do.

I use vita-chem and did daily 80% wc in a hospital tank bare bottom. It took 6weeks and they are 100% better. IME meds are not needed for HITH. Vitamines are the way to go . If the holes have a puss or white stuff come out of the holes then that might be parasites and need meds. But if it is just holes getting larger you don't need it.

[Elite Aquaria]

Not sure about the Metro from national fish pharm but the stuff from Jehmco is 100% pure metro...I carry the same meds as Jehmco at the same prices. click here (http://www.eliteaquaria.com/AQUASCIENCE_METRONIDAZOLE_POWDER_p/amet.htm) to check out my prices on meds

[David Rose]

Hi Thang,

I carry pure Metro in tablet form that won't break the bank if you only need a few dosages depending on the size of your hospital tank. The brand I carry is AquaFish by Eaton Laboratories (http://www.igopro-online.com/AquaFish-Metronidazole-60-Tablet-Bottle-p/medeatonmetron60.htm) .

More information can be found here on Simply:

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=81535

or on my site with other available medications (http://www.igopro-online.com/IGOPRO-ONLINE-COM-Fish-Medications-s/6.htm).

Best of luck and let me know if you have any questions.

Regards,
David

[thang45]

I have treated HITH a few times. I have had a few rescues come to me looking really bad. Every time I never used meds. We under estimate what vitamines and clean water can do.

I use vita-chem and did daily 80% wc in a hospital tank bare bottom. It took 6weeks and they are 100% better. IME meds are not needed for HITH. Vitamines are the way to go . If the holes have a puss or white stuff come out of the holes then that might be parasites and need meds. But if it is just holes getting larger you don't need it.

I don't see any puss or white stuff coming out of the hole, so I think it is vitamins is what they needed. I will give vita-chem a try and update you if this works.


Not sure about the Metro from national fish pharm but the stuff from Jehmco is 100% pure metro...I carry the same meds as Jehmco at the same prices. click here (http://www.eliteaquaria.com/AQUASCIENCE_METRONIDAZOLE_POWDER_p/amet.htm) to check out my prices on meds

Thank you, I give vita-chem a try before buying the meds. Hopefully I don’t need it :)


Hi Thang,

I carry pure Metro in tablet form that won't break the bank if you only need a few dosages depending on the size of your hospital tank. The brand I carry is AquaFish by Eaton Laboratories (http://www.igopro-online.com/AquaFish-Metronidazole-60-Tablet-Bottle-p/medeatonmetron60.htm) .

More information can be found here on Simply:

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=81535

or on my site with other available medications (http://www.igopro-online.com/IGOPRO-ONLINE-COM-Fish-Medications-s/6.htm).

Best of luck and let me know if you have any questions.

Regards,
David

Thanks David. I will check it out.

[thang45]

I have treated HITH a few times. I have had a few rescues come to me looking really bad. Every time I never used meds. We under estimate what vitamines and clean water can do.

I use vita-chem and did daily 80% wc in a hospital tank bare bottom. It took 6weeks and they are 100% better. IME meds are not needed for HITH. Vitamines are the way to go . If the holes have a puss or white stuff come out of the holes then that might be parasites and need meds. But if it is just holes getting larger you don't need it.

BTW, are you taking about Boyd Vita-Chem Freshwater for discus?

[thang45]

Could stress causes hole in the head? example doing 50% WC on a 90gal tank?

[Eddie]

Could stress causes hole in the head? example doing 50% WC on a 90gal tank?

Stress could tie into reducing the fishes immunity but doing a 50% wc shoudn't be stressful for the fish unless it was with water that is unstable to that of the tank. Some breeders do multiple 100% waterchages on tanks and the fish love it, even feed during water changes.

Eddie

[Lukan]

If I might add
Vitamin "D" works in conjunction with calcium and phosphate and, if they are deficient, the result can lead to "Hole in the Head" disease. (Vitamin "D", should be aprox. 400 I.U. per kilogram of beef-heart mix). Also Spinach is now known to leach calcium so I would recomend using red lettuce for calcium content for your mix.
v

Hi Vern,

In regards to the Red Lettuce do you parboil it at all? also how much calcium do you use in a 1kg mix? Thanks

Marte

[seanyuki]

Red lettuce has only 9 mg calcium compare to green lettuce 13 mg.......imo dark green vegetables has higher content of calcium

red lettuce......9 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/redlettuce.htm

green lettuce........13 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/greenlettuce.htm

spinach.......30 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/spinach.htm

[Eddie]

Collard greens and turnip greens have even more. ;)

Calcium: 52 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/collard.htm

[Lukan]

Red lettuce has only 9 mg calcium compare to green lettuce 13 mg.......imo dark green vegetables has higher content of calcium

red lettuce......9 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/redlettuce.htm

green lettuce........13 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/greenlettuce.htm

spinach.......30 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/spinach.htm


Collard greens and turnip greens have even more. ;)

Calcium: 52 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/collard.htm


Thank you Gentlemen,

I guess i should have been more clear on my questions. I wanted to know how much mg of Calcium should be added to a 1Kg mix of Beefheart or Seafood Mix. Thanks.

[seanyuki]

Thanks for the info Eddie:).....when are you going to Asia Discus Show?

[Eddie]

Thanks for the info Eddie:).....when are you going to Asia Discus Show?


Any time Francis! I'll be leaving out on the 23rd of November so its still a ways away. I'm anxious!

Take care,

Eddie

[Vern Archer]

Hi Marte, I keep everything raw as this gives you the maximum nutricianal benefit. All my mix I pregrind including the red lettuce and then prior to adding the beefheart and salmmon I process all other ingredients together vitamins banana spirulina egg yolk garlic and of course the vitamins I spin it it until its like a paste then I add previously ground beefheart and salmon and continue to process for a couple of minutes until its the consistency of crunchy peanut butter. I add one vitamin D aprox 400 i.u. and half an everyday powdered vitamin..The lettuce I use one cup full of shredded red lettuce prior to grinding per kilo.
v

[Lukan]

Hi Vern, thank you for the detailed information. I'm more concerned about the amount of calcium. Just trying to make sure that i don't put too much. Thanks.

[thang45]

Stress could tie into reducing the fishes immunity but doing a 50% wc shoudn't be stressful for the fish unless it was with water that is unstable to that of the tank. Some breeders do multiple 100% waterchages on tanks and the fish love it, even feed during water changes.

Eddie

I was lazy, so for the past 5 months I have been doing WC straight from tab with prime.

That was the only different in my routine before HITH.

[thang45]

Red lettuce has only 9 mg calcium compare to green lettuce 13 mg.......imo dark green vegetables has higher content of calcium

red lettuce......9 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/redlettuce.htm

green lettuce........13 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/greenlettuce.htm

spinach.......30 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/spinach.htm


Collard greens and turnip greens have even more. ;)

Calcium: 52 mg

http://nutrition.about.com/od/fruitsandvegetables/p/collard.htm

Excellent, thanks guys.

[thang45]

Hi Marte, I keep everything raw as this gives you the maximum nutricianal benefit. All my mix I pregrind including the red lettuce and then prior to adding the beefheart and salmmon I process all other ingredients together vitamins banana spirulina egg yolk garlic and of course the vitamins I spin it it until its like a paste then I add previously ground beefheart and salmon and continue to process for a couple of minutes until its the consistency of crunchy peanut butter. I add one vitamin D aprox 400 i.u. and half an everyday powdered vitamin..The lettuce I use one cup full of shredded red lettuce prior to grinding per kilo.
v

Does your mix stay intact during feeding?

[Vern Archer]

Does your mix stay intact during feeding?

Yes, I use 1 ripe banana per kilo to bind the mix also not adding any water to the mix during the processing helps with the binding. PS I would still stay away from the spinach even though its slightly higher in calcium remember that vitamin D 400 i.u per kilo is the key..
v

[seanyuki]

Off topic.....should try Pro More/Pro Growth since it's designed for fish....save all the guess works and available through the SD sponsor here.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=81614

[Eddie]

Off topic.....should try Pro More/Pro Growth since it's designed for fish....save all the guess works and available through the SD sponsor here.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=81614

+1, veteran user here

[thang45]

Yes, I use 1 ripe banana per kilo to bind the mix also not adding any water to the mix during the processing helps with the binding. PS I would still stay away from the spinach even though its slightly higher in calcium remember that vitamin D 400 i.u per kilo is the key..
v

Thanks for the tip.


Off topic.....should try Pro More/Pro Growth since it's designed for fish....save all the guess works and available through the SD sponsor here.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=81614

OMG! I have been looking for that. Is that from Andrew Soh's book?

[David Rose]

Thanks for the tip.



OMG! I have been looking for that. Is that from Andrew Soh's book?


Yes, Pro-More and Pro-Growth are Andrew Soh's products that he recommends in his book, Discus: Problems and Solutions, which I sell via my website.

All the best,
David

[thang45]

Yes, Pro-More and Pro-Growth are Andrew Soh's products that he recommends in his book, Discus: Problems and Solutions, which I sell via my website.

All the best,
David

Do you currently have the Pro-Growth, 30 grams in stock?

how much to ship it to Toronto?

thanks

[David Rose]

Do you currently have the Pro-Growth, 30 grams in stock?

how much to ship it to Toronto?

thanks

Yes... one 30g and one 50g left until the next group order as of this posting.