Sick Blue Diamond help

[MKD]

Disease Questionnaire - please complete
Please complete the questionnaire if your fish are sick (copy and paste)

DISEASE QUESTIONNAIRE


Problem

1. Please explain the problems with your fish/when and how they started


I recently purchased 12 discus by mail, they're good. Suddenly blue diamond turns dark color, not eat, hide, no poops, tummy looks full.

2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/ white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds)



Dark color, not eating, sometimes itch

3. What medications/ treatments that you have already tried and results. Include dosages and duration of treatment.


None (pending)

Tank/Water

4. Tank size and age, number and size of fish

100G, 2 months old with 12 discus between 2.5 - 4.0 inches, 3 flash plego, driftwood, 1 fake plant and 2 real plants.

5. Water change regime/ how long has tank been running/ bare bottom or gravel/ do you age your water?

50% WC 2x a week with age water, Seachem Stability, Prime. Tank runs about 2 months with thin layer of white mint sand.

6 Parameters and water source;

- temp __86___

- ph __7___ (sometimes 7.1)

- ammonia reading __0__

- nitrite reading _0___

- nitrate reading _10___

- well water __N__

- municipal water _YES___

7. Any new fish/plants added recently

NONE
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from disease section, it looks like bloated, but not sure. Can you anyone let me know? i appreciate it.

Thank you,
MadDiscus

[jimg]

How big are they? how long have you had them? are the others eating good?
If you just got them I would leave them alone lights off let them settle.
Unless you see gills wide open, breathing very heavy, change in feces etc. just let them adjust.
Keep up with clean water.

[MKD]

they are between 2.5 - 4 inches and only the blue diamond is sick others are fine.

[jimg]

Can you put him in a separate tank, watch him and keep water clean?

[Skip]

is he the "PUNK" Of the pecking order?

[MKD]

Can you put him in a separate tank, watch him and keep water clean? i have 30G tank, but empty not set up yet.


is he the "PUNK" Of the pecking order? i think so.

[jimg]

That will work.Put him in there and do 95% wc's for a week with exact/aged water see how it does. Watch for any changes in others too.

[PAR23]

Can you post pictures? What do you feed them?

[MKD]

i feed them blackworm and here are pics. sorry for quality of pics

[PAR23]

Looks like bloat.......Consider epsom salt at 2 tablespoon per 10 gallon.

[MKD]

I put him in ice igloo with heater and air stone + epsom last night and today still not getting better. how long do you think he should stay in there??

[Jennie]

Read a thread from another senior member that took up to 2 weeks

[MKD]

Ok, i got some epston salt and 10g just for him. still no sign getting better. how much water change and how often??

[Jennie]

Heater airstone salt daily wc's maybe 50% since not feeding

[MKD]

got those. let see what happen.

thank you and have a great Sunday :)

[PAR23]

Ok, i got some epston salt and 10g just for him. still no sign getting better.

Is he still bloated?

[MKD]

yes, he's still bloated

[PAR23]

yes, he's still bloated

I would be concerned about intestinal bacterial infection at this point.........Usually if they don't respond to epsom salt in 24 hrs, they won't respond at all......Do you have any kanamycin on hand?? Hopefully some of the more experienced will chime in here......

[MKD]

I have Metro Plus in hand, but don't have Kanamycin right now. There was a sign this morning, he is trying to push his poops out. It's a good sign, right???

[PAR23]

I have Metro Plus in hand, but don't have Kanamycin right now. There was a sign this morning, he is trying to push his poops out. It's a good sign, right???

Yeah....Metro plus won't be effective.....How can you tell if he is trying to move his poop.

[MKD]

'cause i saw a little bit came out.

[PAR23]

'cause i saw a little bit came out.

Well that's good.....try doing a search in this section with kanamycin.......I would prob go this route if he is still not doing well in next 24 hrs.

[MKD]

absolutely, will do that. Still at work, I can't wait to go home to see how he's doing.

Thank you, PAR23

[PAR23]

absolutely, will do that. Still at work, I can't wait to go home to see how he's doing.

Thank you, PAR23

Sure thing....good luck....keep us posted...Sucks when they get sick:(

[MKD]

just got home and checked on him. Tummy is getting smaller and 1 poops on the bottom tank.

[PAR23]

just got home and checked on him. Tummy is getting smaller and 1 poops on the bottom tank.

That's great....Hopefully he will pull out of this....:)

[MKD]

it looks better, tummy is smaller now. When should i feed him again?? 'cause i don't want him starving.

[PAR23]

it looks better, tummy is smaller now. When should i feed him again?? 'cause i don't want him starving.

That's awesome. Glad to hear he is doing better. They can go weeks without food so don't be too concerned....I would wait until he is fully back to normal and then start with very small feeds.:)

[MKD]

tonight i checked, he pushed out a few hugh white ones out and tummy looks normal. I did 50% water change + 2 table spoon epson salt. Let give him 1 more day and i 'll give him a tiny food tomorrow night.

[PAR23]

tonight i checked, he pushed out a few hugh white ones out and tummy looks normal. I did 50% water change + 2 table spoon epson salt. Let give him 1 more day and i 'll give him a tiny food tomorrow night.

Sounds like a plan.......Stay away from flakes for now...Good luck

[MKD]

today he pushed out some more and i fed couple blackworms but he's not eating. so not eating 2 days from the day he poops and 2 weeks sick. I may need to look for kanamycin tomorrow.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone :)

[jimg]

Would be good idea now to scope the feces

[MKD]

jimg, i am new and this is my first sick discus. can you give me some more info

Thanks,

[PAR23]

I think you had mention seeing white poop......scoping the poop can help you determine if this is a internal parasitic infection.....Not eating and white poop can be internal hexamita infection.....

[jimg]

I think you had mention seeing white poop......scoping the poop can help you determine if this is a internal parasitic infection.....Not eating and white poop can be internal hexamita infection.....

+1 also could be bacterial ,worms, not eating etc.

[PAR23]

Hey MadDiscus,

How is your BB doing?

[MKD]

not good, i was so mad when i saw it at the bottom yesterday morning. He is an angel now :angel: . He is my wife's favorite.

[PAR23]

not good, i was so mad when i saw it at the bottom yesterday morning. He is an angel now :angel: . He is my wife's favorite.

I'm sorry to hear buddy.....It's tough losing them.....Any other treatment other then epsom salt?

[MKD]

epsom salt and kanamycin. I thought he was fine after push out poops, but i guessed he's not :( .

[Eddie]

Where did you get these fish?