Wild F1 Cuipeau Fry Group

[Second Hand Pat]

I had a late visitor this past Friday. Mark (Discus Origins) delivered my long awaited group of F1 Cuipeau fry and man, they are NICE. :grin: I'm in awe. Mark had a shipment to pickup from the Orlando airport and offered to bring them down with him.

Mark has been lucky to have two spawns from his Cuipeau pair and this group is from the second spawn. These fry are 100% wild and about 4 months old.

It was a true honor to actually talk to someone else about wilds and of course the first thing to correct is my mispronunciation of the places the wilds come from like Nhamunda, Tefe, Alenquer and of course Cuipeau. I have tefe correct now but need to hear others spoken again. I can not believe far off I was on Alenquer. :(

Mark stayed about a 1/2 hour and had a nice chat. I do believe he liked the 230.

[Second Hand Pat]

On Saturday these guys were settling in nice and even coming forward for food. They were not ready for picture taking but took some anyway.

This picture is fairly true to how they look to the naked eye.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0488.jpg

With flash so washes out the color.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P9170072.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P9170070.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

I took this short clip to show some of the color development. I have to be careful as they are shy of the light.


http://s925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/?action=view¤t=VIDEO0096.mp4

[Second Hand Pat]

Pictures from last night

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010018.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010022.jpg

Seem to think the sponge filter is a worm dispenser.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010023.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

This thread is a duplicate from my homesteader section so reposted here for wider viewing pleasure. My best guess is these guys range from 2 to 3 inches (eyeball guess). They are currently being feed live blackworms, seafood mix and a little flake.

[ZX10R]

Look great Pat good luck with them.

[jimmyjoe]

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice looking group of new Cuipeau's Pat, waiting anxiously for my group to arrive..Thanks for sharing ................................Jim in Ohio

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Sean :)

Jim, yes, they are very sweet. I'm sure you will be as delighted as I am ;)

[Keith Perkins]

This thread is a duplicate from my homesteader section so reposted here for wider viewing pleasure... Wow, I'm sure glad you explained that. I was wondering for a minute there if my wife's surprise 50th birthday party was tougher on me than I thought. The fish look good here too. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Keith, you make me laugh and thanks, I really like these little guys. Hope your wife have wonderful birthday.

[m.ingram]

Great looking little ones Pat good luck with them :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Great looking little ones Pat good luck with them :)

Thanks Mark, at this point Mark (Discus Origins) get full credit for these guys.

[MikeF]

Looks like you have yourself some real stunners there Pat.
MikeF

[Second Hand Pat]

Looks like you have yourself some real stunners there Pat.
MikeF

Thanks Mike and yes, really like these guys. There are at least a couple more folks getting these guys with Jim being one of them. Who else??

[sergeyal]

Good luck
Do you know in what parameters their parents spawned?

[Second Hand Pat]

Good luck
Do you know in what parameters their parents spawned?

Thanks :)...see post 21 in this thread for how Mark keeps his water. There are the parents.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?86447-Cuipeau-pairing/page2&highlight=Cuipeau+pairing

[Second Hand Pat]

One week in and these guys are doing great. Pictures taken with a flash so washes them out and between feedings.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0513.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0514.jpg

Worm feast


http://s925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/?action=view&current=VIDEO0099.mp4

[Second Hand Pat]

It has been two weeks today that I received these guys from Mark. They are doing great. We are getting use to each other and they have gotten comfortable as a group. I added two small pieces of DW to help cut the aggression and it seems to help. I was lazy about putting the plastic piece on the back of the glass lid and paid for that when one of the larger ones jump out the backside of the tank :( I kicked myself pretty hard when I found it on the floor. Little guy was 3.5 inches long :(.

I'm feeding Kens flake, my seafood mix and live blackworms. They by far prefer the blackworms and when I go to work I load them up on the worms and flake. The tank is clean (except for poops) when I return home.

In the first picture the one in the front is developing some interesting color.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010063.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010062.jpg

[Matt0matic]

Interesting observation with the drift wood... Mine get pretty mean during feeding time. And sorry about your jumper =(

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Matt, it doesn't eliminate the aggression only seems to help reduce it to some extent. Really s**ks on losing the one fish. These fish are not replaceable.

[jimmyjoe]

Hi,Pat sorry to hear about losing one of your fish. I really like how your's are developing are these fro Mark's first batch or second batch. Can you remember when they hatched out, I'll have to ask Mark again if you don't remember, I like to keep reference for growth now. Jim in Ohio

[Discus Origins]

Wow def sorry to hear about the jumper...that's too bad it was a nice one.

Jim I dont remember the exact date, but these are from the second spawn and hatch date would be around end of May.

[zchauvin]

Very nice Pat, sorry to hear about that one but they do look very very good :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Jim, I like how they are developing too. Nice and stocky. ;) I guess Mark answered your question. I originally were going to get a group from the first spawn but Mark offered to let me get my group from the second batch as my discus house was unhealthy at the time. Thanks again for making that offer Mark.

Mark, only myself to blame the leaving the top partly open :(

Thanks Zach ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

So is it possible for these guys to grow a 1/2 inch in three weeks? I base lined the largest one and one of the smallest ones against the tape measure and these guys have grown about a 1/2 inch.

[Second Hand Pat]

Video from this morning.


http://s925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/?action=view&current=VIDEO0102.mp4

[zchauvin]

Looking good pat

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[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Zach ;)

Here's some more pictures. Some are showing some awesome hints of color. I must admit I am enjoyed these guys.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0553.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0551.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0552.jpg

[ZX10R]

I am jealous you keep getting more fish and more tanks and all I get to do is downsize for right now :(

They look really good Pat can't wait to see them in a few months time.

[BobB]

Pat are you going to put any up for sale? Let me know PLZ!

[zchauvin]

Pat are you going to put any up for sale? Let me know PLZ!

That's a very good question

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[Second Hand Pat]

I am jealous you keep getting more fish and more tanks and all I get to do is downsize for right now :(

They look really good Pat can't wait to see them in a few months time.

Thanks Sean :) but didn't be jealous. You are doing something very important at the moment and things should lighten up once your son is not quite so dependent. He sleeping through the night?


Pat are you going to put any up for sale? Let me know PLZ!


That's a very good question

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Thanks guys, not really planning to selling any of these beauties. There is a possibility Mark (Discus Origins) could have more F1s from his Cuipeau pair in the future.

[ZX10R]

Thanks Sean :) but didn't be jealous. You are doing something very important at the moment and things should lighten up once your son is not quite so dependent. He sleeping through the night?

Getting better he is down to only getting up at 10 pm, 2 am, and 6 am which is a huge improvement then before. Amazing how something so small can take up so much time and energy.

Sean

[Second Hand Pat]

Sean, how much does he weight? A 4 hour schedule is not too bad.

[jimmyjoe]

Hey Pat looking awesome my friend, which batch were these from girl cause their bigger than my biggest one and I believe I got mine maybe a week after you. I really liked the video, come on Pat your not going to sell any of these. Jim in Ohio Foo--foo--foolin you I know you wouldn't part with any of these just yet....

[Keith Perkins]

.... Amazing how something so small can take up so much time and energy.

Sean

That's a heck of a thing of a discus keeper to say. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

lol Keith, human babies are way more work...;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Hey Pat looking awesome my friend, which batch were these from girl cause their bigger than my biggest one and I believe I got mine maybe a week after you. I really liked the video, come on Pat your not going to sell any of these. Jim in Ohio Foo--foo--foolin you I know you wouldn't part with any of these just yet....

Hey Jim and thanks. These guys are from Mark's second spawn and best guess were 2 1/2 inches to 3 1/2 inches when Mark bought them over and are now 3 to 4 inches (three week timeframe). I'm mainly keeping them on blackworms with a side of flakes or seafood mix. I credit the blackworms for their growth. I'm working second shift ATM and feed them three small feedings between 8 am to 12 pm. Just before I leave for work I give them a good handful of the worms to keep them until I get home at 10-11pm. Then 90% WC and a small handful of worms as a bedtime snack. You know these guys are staying with me. ;)

[ZX10R]

That's a heck of a thing of a discus keeper to say. :D

You would think after keeping discus I would be use to this kind of hard work


Sean, how much does he weight? A 4 hour schedule is not too bad.

he is at 10 lbs now. Sorry for side tracking your thread

[Second Hand Pat]

Sean, you did not side track the thread. Shoot, it was me asking the questions. With a little luck and a couple more pounds he will be sleeping through the night.

[Second Hand Pat]

Had these guys gour weeks today. Starting to show nice hints of color.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0554.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0555.jpg

[Jason K.]

those guy's are filling out fast pat! about what age are they at?

[Second Hand Pat]

Just under 5 months Jay. They are growing faster then I expected but they are my first set of juvies so have no basis for comparison.

[Jason K.]

I'd say your doing a fine job with them Pat. I didn't think wild's grew that fast, looking like your gonna have some fine adult's on your hand's...

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Jay, maybe the hardy amount of black worms is making a difference. They are getting a seafood mix and flake also.

[zchauvin]

Pat what are those fry to look like when adults. They're the same cuipeua that Hudson has now?

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[Second Hand Pat]

Yes Zach

[zchauvin]

Nice pat.

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[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Zach

[zchauvin]

Of course pat, can't wait to see them mature :)

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[Second Hand Pat]

Me too Zach, I will post every two weeks or so on their progress.

[zchauvin]

Awesome, hopefully snookn gets his new fish in soon so I can put something in my tank :) I feel left out haha, I have to fish and no pics to be able to take for the community to see.

[Second Hand Pat]

Wait...aren't you getting some of Hudson fish?

[zchauvin]

nope

[Rummy]

Pat, thanks for referring me to this thread. I don't know how I missed it. Those babies are already changing their colors and growing so fast. Do you think they are growing faster than the domestics? I am sure the live worms have a lot to do with it. It still makes me wonder how much is nature vs. nurture. The parents are absolutely gorgeous! You are going to have a tank full of beautiful fish very soon. I think this is a great excuse for another larger tank. As they say, "bigger is better".

Anik

[Second Hand Pat]

Anik, I have no idea on the growth rate as these are my first batch of juvies. They have grown a full inch in five weeks I have had them and agree that live worms have a lot to do with the growth rate. I do withhold the worms when feeding other foods as I do not want them being black worm elitists.

[Rummy]

The fish love the blackworms so much that it is easy for me to get addicted. I know there will be no leftovers and I just love watching the fish go nuts over them.

[Second Hand Pat]

I love watching them hunt the worms. The tefe's blow the sand looking for worms. Anik, make sure to feed other foods...ok

[Darrell Ward]

:thumbsup:

[Rummy]

I love watching them hunt the worms. The tefe's blow the sand looking for worms. Anik, make sure to feed other foods...ok

Yep. They eat better than I do. In addition to the blackworms, they get tetra color bits, sera discus, NLS, BH flakes, frozen daphnia, plankton, bloodworms, ON flakes.
You are right. It is easy to get stuck on the blackworms. It has to be great watching them search the sand. Some of mine do that also, but not to the extent that I am sure the wilds do. Mine will get lazy and position themselves in front of the spray bar and let the food come to them. Smart little buggers.

[wendy9722]

I'm so amazed on how well they are growing and the colors and markings are coming out. They are for sure in really great hands. I dont know how I missed this thread but its been amazing seeing the changes since you just started posting pics ect. You are doing an excellent job with them!!!! Keep up the hard work and best of luck with them. I'm soooo jealous...

[jimmyjoe]

Loooking goood Pat, what a nice change in development still waiting to move mine. As soon as I do I'll post some pictures. Jim in Ohio

[Second Hand Pat]

:thumbsup:

Thanks Darrell ;)


Yep. They eat better than I do. In addition to the blackworms, they get tetra color bits, sera discus, NLS, BH flakes, frozen daphnia, plankton, bloodworms, ON flakes.
You are right. It is easy to get stuck on the blackworms. It has to be great watching them search the sand. Some of mine do that also, but not to the extent that I am sure the wilds do. Mine will get lazy and position themselves in front of the spray bar and let the food come to them. Smart little buggers.

Anik, mine do to :)


I'm so amazed on how well they are growing and the colors and markings are coming out. They are for sure in really great hands. I dont know how I missed this thread but its been amazing seeing the changes since you just started posting pics ect. You are doing an excellent job with them!!!! Keep up the hard work and best of luck with them. I'm soooo jealous...

Aw..thanks Wendy, these are my first group of juvies and I am quite enjoying them. I'm sort of wondering how much longer I can keep them in this 40 breeder.


Loooking goood Pat, what a nice change in development still waiting to move mine. As soon as I do I'll post some pictures. Jim in Ohio

Jim, would love to see new pictures of your guys :)

[Second Hand Pat]

A little update

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010098.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010096.jpg
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http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010091.jpg

[wendy9722]

They look GREAT!!!! still jealous.......

[Rummy]

They are looking soooo nice! I love the way they were all lined up for the first picture. They don't seem to be worried anymore about the camera. They are developing some nice shape to them. They are all going to be a handsome bunch when they are bigger. Not that they aren't already. You know what I mean.

Anik

[Larry Bugg]

Looking great. Wish we could fast forward and see what they will look like as adults. You can see the color starting to come through, especially in the last photo.

[jimmyjoe]

Hey Pat is that a snail on that piece of driftwood in that last pic? Your guys are looking great Pat mine also have the same coloring as yours popping up, maybe Mark can chime in here is this typical coloring for F1 Cuipeau's almost looks like Turq's? Jim in Ohio

[Second Hand Pat]

They look GREAT!!!! still jealous.......

Thanks Wendy, they get a little better each week.


They are looking soooo nice! I love the way they were all lined up for the first picture. They don't seem to be worried anymore about the camera. They are developing some nice shape to them. They are all going to be a handsome bunch when they are bigger. Not that they aren't already. You know what I mean.

Anik

Anik, I got lucky on the first picture. I still manage to spook these guys on a regular basis. Sometimes they spook and make me jump. lol


Looking great. Wish we could fast forward and see what they will look like as adults. You can see the color starting to come through, especially in the last photo.

That would be cool Larry if only possible. Marks is growing some of these out from his first batch. Maybe need to query him about posting some updated pictures of the first batch.


Hey Pat is that a snail on that piece of driftwood in that last pic? Your guys are looking great Pat mine also have the same coloring as yours popping up, maybe Mark can chime in here is this typical coloring for F1 Cuipeau's almost looks like Turq's? Jim in Ohio

Yup Jim and hate them but they do eat uneaten food so perhaps helps to maintain water quality between WCs. My guess on the spots of color popping out is this is the formation of striations, starting out is spots of colors and growing into each other as the fish mature. Turks mature this way...right?

[Stag]

Hey Pat, I hate to be the one to tell you this but...






I think you got worms! :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Ok James, who was worms?? me...the juvies..or the snails...lol

[Stag]

IDK you tell me!

Your fry really comming along. You can already see some great body shape and color starting. I think Cuipeaus are my favorite wilds along with Green Tefes.. Some have such stunning colors as adults.

Keep us posted.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks James, when I saw your post I checked back thorough the thread and the only worms I saw were the lovely blackworms these juvies are so fond of. You actually scared me a bit as these are my first juvies.

If anyone sees any issues I want to know.

[Stag]

haha I was talking about the Fantabulus blackworms! Just keeping you on your toes.

Look at my Sig, don't take anything I say seriously :p

[TNT77]

Really nice shape on these guys Pat. Color is coming in quite nicely. Quite a nice group you have there you should be proud. :)

[Keith Perkins]

I'm with Larry, I'd love to know what they're going to look like in a year or so. Hopefully so stunning we'll be laughing about how we thought they looked good now.

[Second Hand Pat]

Could be Keith, there a link to the parent's video in this thread which should give a hint. ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Growing like mad and colors are stronger.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/p1010112.jpg
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[BobB]

You do know it is illegal to give discus steriods!

[Second Hand Pat]

You do know it is illegal to give discus steriods!

Only blackworms ;)

[Rummy]

You do know it is illegal to give discus steriods!

LMAO

They are really changing quickly. Some nice shapes and colors are coming out. All that work is really paying off. They are growing so well.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Anik, They actually are not as much work as I thought they would be. Here's a little better picture of their true color. The older camera makes them appear a bit dark.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0657.jpg

[Rummy]

They are so cute. I love watching them eat as a group. They appear to have quite a lot of red in them already. Are they getting along?

Anik

[Second Hand Pat]

Anik, for the most part. They do have their pushing matches, especially after they have filled up a bit and are not quite as hungry. I will see about getting a clip for you tomorrow. :)

[Rummy]

Great. I will look out for it.

Anik

[jimmyjoe]

Thanks Anik, They actually are not as much work as I thought they would be. Here's a little better picture of their true color. The older camera makes them appear a bit dark.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0657.jpg My goodness Pat they sure are filling out quite nicely, by the way what are you keeping them in? Jim in Ohio

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Jim, they are in a 40 gallon breeder. I suspect in a month they all should be a solid 4 inch (SL) and I'm wondering when they will need to be moved to the 75?

[Jennie]

beautiful Pat!!!!!!

[chaoslite]

Pat they are looking wonderful.

Mishka

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Jennie and Mishka ;)

Here's the video.


http://s925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/?action=view&current=Juvie_11_04.mp4

[Rummy]

I am so impressed! They appear to be bigger and rounder than in the pictures. They seem to already have that grace of mature fish. You can see where they are doing a little pushing and shoving.
You must go through a serious amount of CBW!

Anik

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Anik, I tried to show each fish in the video. I had to wait for them to be hungry so they wouldn't shy from the light while taking the video. I go through a 1/2 pound a week which is mostly for the juvies. Now the Cuipeua's adults are getting some to acclimate them to other foods and deliver meds for deworming and debugging.

[jimmyjoe]

SWEEET Pat their looking better an better everytime I see them, Your doing everything right with them, I hope mine turn out as nice as yours are. Jim in Ohio

[lgomezvi]

never really gave wild discus much thought when i first started looking into discus (distracted by all the colors on the domestics), but now i get more and more excited about the idea of wilds!! especially when I see quality like this. they really are nice, with lots of color as well (although more subtle). these just look HUGE! nice video.

[Second Hand Pat]

SWEEET Pat their looking better an better everytime I see them, Your doing everything right with them, I hope mine turn out as nice as yours are. Jim in Ohio

Thanks Jim, I'm sure they will. ;)


never really gave wild discus much thought when i first started looking into discus (distracted by all the colors on the domestics), but now i get more and more excited about the idea of wilds!! especially when I see quality like this. they really are nice, with lots of color as well (although more subtle). these just look HUGE! nice video.

Thanks Lgomezvi, these guys are just under 6 months of ago and the larger ones are a bit over 4 inches SL so they have some growing to do still.

[Darrell Ward]

never really gave wild discus much thought when i first started looking into discus (distracted by all the colors on the domestics), but now i get more and more excited about the idea of wilds!! especially when I see quality like this. they really are nice, with lots of color as well (although more subtle). these just look HUGE! nice video.

Once you start keeping wilds, you'll be very tempted to throw all your freak show looking domestics out into the yard! :D

[m.ingram]

WOW Pat you have done an amazing job with these guys .They are such a nice looking group you have :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Mark, not bad for my first group of juvies.

I replaced the sump light over them with a simple strip light and it shows their natural color much better.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0666.jpg
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[Darrell Ward]

Coming along nicely.:D

[Rummy]

The light seems. To bring out the red better.

[Rummy]

Sorry about bad grammar. It should read, " The light seems to bring out the red better."
These computers tend to have a mind of their own sometimes.

Anik

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Darrell and Anik ;)

Yes Anik, the sump light is the reef blue based lights and colorwise made the Cuipeua's look "interesting" at best.

[Eddie]

Pretty nice looking group Pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

Pretty nice looking group Pat!

Thanks Eddie, nice to see you around here.

[Harriett]

Yes indeedy, these little fishies are fabulous. You are doing a terrific job, girlie.
XOX
Harriett

[Second Hand Pat]

Aw thanks Harriett, need to talk soon ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Can not believe how fast these guys are growing. Sorry for the blurry pictures.

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[Rummy]

Their shape is coming along nicely. They are growing fast! They all look different. Each appears to have his individual markings. Do you name them?


Anik

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Anik, I have not named them. Took me three weeks to name the last horse lol.

[Keith Perkins]

Coming along very nicely Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

Coming along very nicely Pat.

Thanks Keith, appreciate it. ;)

[Keith Perkins]

You do realize I was talking about the fish and not the picture taking, right? :cheesy:

[Second Hand Pat]

You do realize I was talking about the fish and not the picture taking, right? :cheesy:

Ok yes...the picture taking in this regard is quite awful.

[Keith Perkins]

Okay, just making sure. :D

[m.ingram]

Hey Pat they are looking awesome .So good in fact i think you should send them on Holidays to good old Australia i will take good care of them lol

[Second Hand Pat]

Hey Pat they are looking awesome .So good in fact i think you should send them on Holidays to good old Australia i will take good care of them lol

Thanks Mark...maybe I will take you up on that if I ever decide to go away for the holidays ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

I am transitioning these guys from the live blackworms to the frozen blackworms. The live seems to bring in unwanted externals. I was wondering why the juvies seemed sometimes a little dark and a bit icky lately.

[TNT77]

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PB160114.jpg
My fav. I really like this one Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

Here's the other side ;)

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Sick%20Discus/IMAG0694.jpg

[TNT77]

Here's the other side ;)

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Sick%20Discus/IMAG0694.jpg
Such a nice fish. I'm liking it even more now.

[Second Hand Pat]

He is the largest one and to me at least shows lots of promise.

[Keith Perkins]

Good photo Pat...you've been practicing. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Good photo Pat...you've been practicing. :)

:p

[Second Hand Pat]

Here are some more awful pictures. These guys are eating the frozen blackworms, flake and started eating Ken's earthworm sticks. The sticks make a mess of the tank and cloud the water. All this guys are about 6 months old and I would say some are over 4 inches and some are a little under. Some great color forming too.

The video is a bit more clear and shows their color better.


http://s925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/?action=view&current=VIDEO0114.mp4

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0715.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0716.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0722.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0723.jpg

[vera]

Pat , u 've done a great job on growing these pups ! amazing how much they changed to more prettier fish!

[Second Hand Pat]

Aw thanks Natalia, they are starting to lose the juvie look too.

[Keith Perkins]

Pat - you may be taking your pictures from a little too close. Try backing off 6 or 8 inches next time around and see if that doesn't clear up your shots. The fish are looking good in the video though. What's laying on the bottom of the tank that sort of looks like streams of tan?

[Second Hand Pat]

Keith, it is sand with a pink tint from the aquarium light. The camera adds more pink then there really is. The sand appear white to the naked eye.

[Second Hand Pat]

Keith, moving the camera away does help

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0730.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0726.jpg

The group, shows the size differences.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/IMAG0728.jpg

[Keith Perkins]

Wish I could solve discus problems as quickly as photo ones. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Wish I could solve discus problems as quickly as photo ones. :)

Didn't we all lol

[Keith Perkins]

Learned the photo trick just like the discus ones, plenty of trial and error.

[Mauricio]

Nice topic.

[Second Hand Pat]

The slow graze...typical feeding session with frozen blackworms.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yStpnka14Gs

[Rummy]

They are so much bigger than I thought. It looks like they've all claimed their little spots on the floor of the tank.

Anik

[chiligum]

They look massive...Big and beautiful, well done!

[Keith Perkins]

Aaaaah, very nice.

[Second Hand Pat]

They are so much bigger than I thought. It looks like they've all claimed their little spots on the floor of the tank.

Anik

Almost looks peaceful Anik. I spread the food out so all get some.


They look massive...Big and beautiful, well done!

Thanks chiligum, they look massive until you get them next to the adults. Still plenty of growing to do.


Aaaaah, very nice.

Thanks Keith, used a different device to create this video. My hubby's ipad. Makes a decent video but doesn't have a flash. The Ipad writeup indicates the ipad has a low light sensor and doesn't need a flash. Not sure I agree with this.

[Keith Perkins]

I was talking about the fish, but you're right, I noticed the video was pretty decent too. With my camera I was able to take good videos from day one, the photos took considerably longer to get right.

[damba]

These are gorgeous fish. Drool.

Sent from my GT-I5800 using Tapatalk

[Second Hand Pat]

I was talking about the fish, but you're right, I noticed the video was pretty decent too. With my camera I was able to take good videos from day one, the photos took considerably longer to get right.

I know Keith :).


These are gorgeous fish. Drool.

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Thanks damba :)

[TNT77]

So Pat when are you going to send me my fish? ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Well...if those guys mature out nice and decide to breed :) ...

[TNT77]

Well...if those guys mature out nice and decide to breed :) ...
I might be brave enough to do wilds by then. But then they wouldnt be wc so I should be able to manage. :) Not sure why wild discus scare me when I get wc rays. Go figure.

[Second Hand Pat]

Tara, I have only done wilds even as a total newbie this time last year. I looked into rays but the state of Florida does not allow them :(

[Keith Perkins]

So Pat when are you going to send me my fish? ;)


Well...if those guys mature out nice and decide to breed :) ...

You'll be right in line second behind me Tara. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

...and the list grows :grin:

[Second Hand Pat]

http://youtu.be/pe96fBq1J1w

[TNT77]

They get nicer and nicer every day Pat. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Tara, I do like the way these guys are turning out. Do believe they are starting to slow down in their growth.

[Rummy]

How can anyone say they don't like discus after watching such a graceful bunch? It perplexes me. Maybe it's just the world is divided into two groups. The discus lovers and everyone else.

Don't take me seriously. I am enjoying my Sunday morning coffee a little too much.
And, Pat, those babies are becoming more stunning with each new video.

Anik

[seanyuki]

Wow Pat....good job with those wilds and love the deep red iris............maybe after the Nada perhaps want to start with some wild discus..........hmmmm wild RSG(200 dots).. or Heckels..........thanks for all those updates.

[Second Hand Pat]

Aw thanks Anik, I love the slow graze these guys do. They generally do not get the feeding frenzy going unless I miss a meal. The video really does do them justice.

Francis, all six of these guys have those beautiful Cuipeua red eyes with the tiny white band around the pupil. You going to have time for wilds raising all the diamonds you have pairing? lol. You would be one to enjoy the subtle beauty of wild discus.

[seanyuki]

Still got a few spare tanks at home now........I saw some Heckels at April Ross shop.......nice discus lah and I want some too......need to eat cup noodles starting from Jan 2012 to save/attend the Nada show lol.........imo give the BDs a week from now and they should pair up.........need to set up breeding tanks for them lah.

[Second Hand Pat]

You are going to be a busy, hungry man :) and April's Heckels were nice.

[seanyuki]

Very nice.....imo Heckels score 8 out 10 points lah..............I think she got perhaps 7 of them........min for me need 12 to start with lah.


You are going to be a busy, hungry man :) and April's Heckels were nice.

[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice.....imo Heckels score 8 out 10 points lah..............I think she got perhaps 7 of them........min for me need 12 to start with lah.

Francis, you are going to need a BIG tank for those guys. ;)

[dadecountyalan]

pat great job raising your fish. what have you been feeding them?

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Alan, switched the group from live to frozen blackworms and also feeding them three types of flake (Ken's premium flake) and Dale Jordan's seafood mix. They also get one 85/90% WC at night.

[seanyuki]

hahah Pat.....waiting for Boxing day sale in Canada for bigger tanks......need to get these 90,150 & 180 lah.



Francis, you are going to need a BIG tank for those guys. ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

hahah Pat.....waiting for Boxing day sale in Canada for bigger tanks......need to get these 90,150 & 180 lah.

Francis, I vote the 180, great size and footprint.

[Second Hand Pat]

The big guy is not always the boss


http://youtu.be/s9TiHUkyTZo

[wendy9722]

Wow they all have grow out so beautifully!!!! the one telling the others in the video has to be my fav of the bunch but they all look so excellent. Keep up the great work.
Wendy

[Rummy]

Wow! What a difference from the last movie with them eating peacefully! Those little guys ain't taking no s**t from nobody!

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow they all have grow out so beautifully!!!! the one telling the others in the video has to be my fav of the bunch but they all look so excellent. Keep up the great work.
Wendy

Thanks Wendy, I believe they have all grown proportional from the time I got them until now.


Wow! What a difference from the last movie with them eating peacefully! Those little guys ain't taking no s**t from nobody!

Yup, they can be a feisty bunch and the smaller ones do most of the pushing.

[Second Hand Pat]

Ok, got a little picture happy tonight but some of these guys are showing some color.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200003.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200005.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200006.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200023.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200026.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200028.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200032.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200035.jpg

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200009.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200040.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/PC200041.jpg

[TNT77]

Pat, I'm getting another 120g come spring I think these guys will look perfect in. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

They would be about the right size too huh Tara ;)

[TNT77]

Yep. Just perfect. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Yep. Just perfect. :D

You make me laugh :)

[Second Hand Pat]

These guys are eights months old. Can't believe I have had them four months. Time does fly.

[NanDiscus]

Hi Pat,

As I said I would, I read the entire thread from post #1 and I have to say that the progress these guys are making is something truly spectacular. The growth rate is very good, I must admit I didn't expect them to perform like this. The latest pictures you posted of them convinced me eventually. Credit to you for all you've achieved so far.

I have been sitting here for about five minutes since the full stop of the previous sentence tying really hard to think of something to say what I would have done different. Then I looked at these pics again above and thought: nothing.
I don't normally keep my opinion to myself, never been famous for it, but no matter how hard I try I can't find anything to criticise. Well, maybe the picture taking technique could be improved a litte with new angles, proper white balance setting and a 20$ tripod off of ebay, but this is really it.
How about getting 6 more of them? ;)

Nandi

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow Nandi,

Not sure what to say :grin: other then thank you so much, especially coming from someone who has keep and successfully breed those beautiful wild Xingús. On the picture taking. I will work on that but need some better equipment ;) As far as getting more of them, how about 7 adult wild Cuipeua who are currently in QT and will be future tank mates.

Pat

[NanDiscus]

As far as getting more of them, how about 7 adult wild Cuipeua who are currently in QT and will be future tank mates.


That's about as good as it can get. ;)

Nandi

[Second Hand Pat]

That's about as good as it can get. ;)

Nandi

Thanks Nandi :)

[Second Hand Pat]

These guys are starting to color up very nicely and are pretty much sub-adults.

These guys are shaping up to be the royals

First two pictures are the same fish
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010070.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010073.jpg

Hard to get a picture of this guy. Doesn't care for the flash.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010086.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Some of the others and still nice color to all of them. Just not a bad apple in the group.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010080.jpg

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010092.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010084.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010083.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010076.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010081.jpg

[TNT77]

Some of the others and still nice color to all of them. Just not a bad apple in the group.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010080.jpg
The one in the back..really love all the striations comming out. They really are getting a red tint to them arent they Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

http://youtu.be/aGGJgnsnakk

[Second Hand Pat]

The one in the back..really love all the striations comming out. They really are getting a red tint to them arent they Pat.

Yes Tara, quite a bit now. The fish you are referring to is the same fish in post 176, first two pictures.

[TNT77]

Almost looks like you have 2 males going my girl...no my girl...no my girl lol.

[Second Hand Pat]

Almost looks like you have 2 males going my girl...no my girl...no my girl lol.

:) but not old enough yet.

[Darrell Ward]

Wow! They look like they have grown a bit.

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow! They look like they have grown a bit.

Like a lot Darrell, have not idea why these suckers are growing so fast. Must be the water. Aren't wilds, even F1s suppose to be slow growing :confused:

[Darrell Ward]

The right combo of good genes, clean water, and good food would be my guess.

[Second Hand Pat]

Waiting on their WC.


http://youtu.be/AKB5cAZmsu4

[TNT77]

There they are. Pat what are my fish doing in your tank? I've been looking all over for them :D

[Rummy]

Looking good!!

[Second Hand Pat]

There they are. Pat what are my fish doing in your tank? I've been looking all over for them :D

Well you see Tara, found this box but the front door and lo and behold, found these little F1 wilds. Today, not so little. Now which one was yours ;)

Thanks Anik.

[TNT77]

See I annoy my fish so much that they pack up and leave town. :D
They are starting to get alot of red to them arent they Pat. Is the one in the beggining of the video (top right) breathing a bit heavier out of that right gill?

[Second Hand Pat]

Yup, been that way a while. Do not recall it coming that way however. Perhaps a late developing defect?

ps annoy some rays this way

[TNT77]

Yup, been that way a while. Do not recall it coming that way however. Perhaps a late developing defect?

ps annoy some rays this way
Haha I do have an extra male. You might have to fight Josie for him though lol.

[Second Hand Pat]

...and legal for her to have too. Fla doesn't allow them.

[Second Hand Pat]

Tonight I finally moved the F1 Cuipeua to a 75 from the 40 breeder. Seemed like their growth has slowed. As I caught them, I measured them prior to moving them. Holy cow, they were all over 5 inches and the royal almost 6. :D

[Rummy]

Of course, you are going to post some pictures once they are settled in. Right?

[Second Hand Pat]

Certainly :)

[Second Hand Pat]

I have not posted pictures of these guys in forever. They are all over five inches and currently reside in a 75. I added a little sand to the tank and sort of washed these fish out a little color wise. They are 10 months old I believe.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010078.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010080-1.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010081-1.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010082.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010083-1.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010084-1.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Not a great video but shows some of the color development. The red wild is a Curua from Rod and Bob. You can see the Cuipeua have some growing still to do. They are not to sure of the ipad.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsdX49BGMCo&feature=BFa&list=UUaeXQ_wwjMmbU52-KYBqNJg&lf=plcp

[Second Hand Pat]

These guys have awful color development happening.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010089.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010088.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010087.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeau%20Juvies/P1010093.jpg

[Rummy]

Give them time. They will be swans eventually. I think they look great and are showing lots of interesting colors.

[neon]

Give them time to color up. But when they do it will be very nice and you will be glad you have them

[ajvdiscus]

nice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i am loving them even with there color know,

[Keith Perkins]

Yeah, they've got some interesting subtle colors. Picky, picky, picky. :p

[Second Hand Pat]

Ok, time to "fuss up". I made the awful comment to see if anyone was "paying attention". I see that you are and thanks. Honestly I am tickled pink with these guys and they are coloring up nicely.

[benico]

Pat, they are beautiful... you should be in bliss....

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, they are beautiful... you should be in bliss....

I am benico :D

[Second Hand Pat]

In case anyone is following along I moved this group to a 90 and created a new thread in my homesteader section. The new thread is here;

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?95508-F1-Cuipeua-90&p=879665