230 Wild Tefe Biotype [Archive]

Second Hand Pat

10-23-2011, 09:22 PM

This tank is still a work in progress. I still need to complete the canopy light installation and hopefully will soon.

Full tank
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Tank.jpg

The crew
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Group_2.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Group_1.jpg

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Tefe_3.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Tefe_1.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Tefe_2.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Tefe_4.jpg

This one is my runt and is finally growing and putting on weight.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Runt-1.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Runt_front.jpg

Discus-n00b

10-23-2011, 10:26 PM

Very nice pat, fish and tank! Is that just a single LED fixture up top or is it t5?

Whats your water like? Just curious.

Rummy

10-23-2011, 10:28 PM

Stag

10-23-2011, 10:46 PM

I like your use of the driftwood. It really looks great.

Second Hand Pat

10-23-2011, 10:48 PM

Very nice pat, fish and tank! Is that just a single LED fixture up top or is it t5?

Whats your water like? Just curious.

Thanks Matt, it is a three feet T5. I have two 70W MH to go into the canopy once I can get the hubby motivated to help finish it. ;)

ATM water is Florida well water. I target a GH of around 120. Ph runs about 7.8. I add some RO to the mix but need a dedicated RO unit for the fish. Only have a house unit used primary for drinking water.

Coffee1stLife2nd

10-23-2011, 10:51 PM

Oh Pat.I love it...I cant wait till my tank is done... looking at yours makes me want to get it done...uggg i need more money...LOL But my kid keeps draining my account, he was on his way from college to (army) drill and totaled his car, fell asleep driving, got a call at 3am from the state troopers NOT a good way to wake up...he is fine but had to pay 1200 for a gaurd rail and pay for towing and to junk it, bought him a new car so he could get back to school... But this week im buying my driftwood FOR SURE... but till then i will just keep looking at your tank....

Second Hand Pat

10-23-2011, 10:55 PM

I have been following your build since the start. The aquarium is coming along very nicely. I have one that is also a work in progress. The water in your tank appears to have that wonderful tannin stain. I am not sure if it is a trick of the camera or not. Is your driftwood still leaching or have you accomplished it with the lamps?

Anik

Thanks Anik, you should post pictures of your build. Would love to see it...how big is the tank and what do you have in it.

There still is a small amount of tannins leaching from the wood. The T5 light fixture also has one of the red bulbs used of a reef tank. Gives the tank a nice warm look.

I like your use of the driftwood. It really looks great.

Thanks James, I sort of "throw" the wood together and I liked the effect. The fish seem to like it too.

Second Hand Pat

10-23-2011, 11:01 PM

Rummy

10-23-2011, 11:19 PM

The tank is 90gal with a 20gal sump. I have 12 juvies in there. It is a bit too many. I was expecting casualties, so I bought extra fish.
One day I will get enough nerve to post some pictures. I am still trying to iron out my lighting and mechanical filtration. Come to think of it, it would be better to post what I have now. Everyone seems to be very helpful with ironing out some of those details.
Great suggestion, Pat. I will try for this week.

Anik

Second Hand Pat

10-23-2011, 11:23 PM

Cool Anik, I will look for your thread. How big are your juvies?

lane mechtel

10-24-2011, 12:08 AM

I Love it. wicked looking manzanita and penguin tetras are one of my favorite. thaks or sharing.

Rummy

10-24-2011, 12:18 AM

They range around 4.5-5.5". I purchased all of them in July. At that time, they ranged from 3.5-4.5". They are getting big and fat. I have been keeping fish since I was little. But, these have certainly been the most challenging and rewarding fish I have ever had. It is easy to see why people enjoy keeping these guys.
...will post soon.

Anik

Second Hand Pat

10-24-2011, 07:45 AM

I Love it. wicked looking manzanita and penguin tetras are one of my favorite. thaks or sharing.

Thanks Lane, all the manzanita is from PC1 and I really like the penquins also. I want to add some lemons down the line.

They range around 4.5-5.5". I purchased all of them in July. At that time, they ranged from 3.5-4.5". They are getting big and fat. I have been keeping fish since I was little. But, these have certainly been the most challenging and rewarding fish I have ever had. It is easy to see why people enjoy keeping these guys.
...will post soon.

Anik

Anik, I have some F1 juvies from wild parents. They are fun and easier then I was expecting. Looking forward to your pictures.

TURQ64

10-24-2011, 07:59 AM

Looking good...Greens looking healthy

Second Hand Pat

10-24-2011, 08:05 AM

Thanks Gary, if you remember I had a long road with some of these guys. So nice to have a healthy house and fish who think they are pigs. ;)

jlcoop277

10-24-2011, 08:49 AM

Looks good so far, what background are you using?

Rummy

10-24-2011, 09:49 AM

I have always preferred the wilds and have wanted F1's for a while now. Do you have any pictures? How old are they? Where are their parents from?
In fear of hijacking your thread, I will tell you my story on my new thread as soon as I prepare it.

Anik

Larry Bugg

10-24-2011, 10:03 AM

Pat, the tank looks great and the Tefe's look even better. You have done a great job. What size tank will the new ones be going in?

Second Hand Pat

10-24-2011, 04:17 PM

Looks good so far, what background are you using?

I will look that up for you tonight. I can not get to the site from my work computer.

I have always preferred the wilds and have wanted F1's for a while now. Do you have any pictures? How old are they? Where are their parents from?
In fear of hijacking your thread, I will tell you my story on my new thread as soon as I prepare it.

Anik

Anik, here is my thread on my F1 juvies. http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?90896-Wild-F1-Cuipeau-Fry-Group Should answer all your questions. Next update is Friday.

Pat, the tank looks great and the Tefe's look even better. You have done a great job. What size tank will the new ones be going in?

Larry, for now the new ones will go into the 100 (60x18x24). Once the juvies are grown out and added to the group I may need to switch tanks between the groups or get another big tank ;) (don't tell hubby yet ;))

Second Hand Pat

10-24-2011, 10:44 PM

Looks good so far, what background are you using?

jlcoop277, here's the background I used http://www.designsbynature.net/products-page/slimline-bgs/ item BJ27WA second from the far right on the page. It was tall enough for this tank.

jlcoop277

10-24-2011, 11:09 PM

Thanks Pat!

Darrell Ward

10-25-2011, 01:09 AM

Dang Pat! Am I going to have to fly down there and build you a canopy? :)

Maria Ashton

10-25-2011, 04:26 PM

Soooo nice, LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT

Second Hand Pat

10-25-2011, 04:39 PM

Thanks Pat!

You are welcome.

Dang Pat! Am I going to have to fly down there and build you a canopy? :)

Darrell, Tom is a house husband these days and he is in no rush for anything...job search is disappointing at best. We'll get there :)

Soooo nice, LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT

Thanks Malga :)

Darrell Ward

10-25-2011, 05:00 PM

I feel for Tom. It can be very discouraging searching for a job these days for us middle aged guys. I haven't worked 40 hours in going on 3 years myself, and hardly any for the past few months.

Second Hand Pat

10-25-2011, 05:07 PM

Darrell Ward

10-25-2011, 05:27 PM

We would be glad to have ya! I think I may be the only discus keeper in my whole county! We need more! :)

shoveltrash

11-07-2011, 07:10 PM

just wanted to say *WOW* what beautiful fish, and a very nice tank!
(very jealous!)
:D

Second Hand Pat

11-07-2011, 07:20 PM

We would be glad to have ya! I think I may be the only discus keeper in my whole county! We need more! :)

Who knows Darrell, could be possible in the future if the housing market even vaguely recovers.

just wanted to say *WOW* what beautiful fish, and a very nice tank!
(very jealous!)
:D

Thanks Trish, I love this tank and is one of my on going projects ;)

Disgirl

11-07-2011, 08:25 PM

Yea, Tom getting laid off two years ago put a huge dent in my retirement plan but we have been holding together. He does get a pension so that really helps. When NASA laid off all their workers the local job market totally died. Maybe we should move to NC ;)
Hey Pat, just read this and I have to reply that we here in NC would love to have you here. NC is a beautiful state, Darrell lives in the mountains and I live by the ocean. And everything in between is great! Let us know if you need some NC info!
Barb

Second Hand Pat

11-07-2011, 08:33 PM

Why thanks Barb and will do if that ever becomes a possibility. ATM with housing market we are sort of stuck. Not upside down just nothing moving house wise locally.

Bill63SG

11-07-2011, 08:37 PM

Darrell, Tom is a house husband these days and he is in no rush for anything...job search is disappointing at best. We'll get there :)

I feel ya Pat.My wifes been laid off over 2yrs.Dent's all over the plan.

Second Hand Pat

11-07-2011, 08:45 PM

Bill, lots of people in this boat. Seems like most people are effected one way or another and there is no change in sight as best I can tell :( Right down depressing.

Sorry to hear about your wife.

Second Hand Pat

11-11-2011, 02:55 AM

Time to left this thread up a little. Not the best of pictures and the glass needs a good wipe.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB110103.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB110100.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB110098.jpg
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http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB110092.jpg

shoveltrash

11-11-2011, 08:45 AM

beautiful!!!
remind me....what is your background? (stone looking??)

Second Hand Pat

11-11-2011, 09:22 AM

Thanks...it's one of these slimline backgrounds

http://www.designsbynature.net/products-page/slimline-bgs/

Rummy

11-11-2011, 11:37 AM

They are looking so good! One looks like he was checking you out. Maybe hoping for a snack.

Anik

Second Hand Pat

11-11-2011, 11:42 AM

lol Anik, the only time they are not begging is when they are actively eating. You would think I never feed them but they are all bulked up pretty nice.

jimmyjoe

11-11-2011, 08:20 PM

Any smoozing going on yet with the group Pat, they sure look real nice good job...............Jim in Ohio

Second Hand Pat

11-11-2011, 08:33 PM

Nope Jim, too young yet I suspect. Still have some maturing to do ;)

Rummy

11-11-2011, 11:19 PM

lol Anik, the only time they are not begging is when they are actively eating. You would think I never feed them but they are all bulked up pretty nice.

When is a discus ever full? At least when they are full, it doesn't seem to last very long.
They are bulking up nicely. Imagine when they are adults, how nice they will look!

Someone on here did a nice poster of his fish. He pasted pictures side by side of each of them as they progressed through time. I wish I could remember whom so I could give him his due credit. I'll bet that project would be great for your babies.

Anik

Second Hand Pat

11-12-2011, 02:05 AM

Anik, that is a great idea to show some before and now pictures

Mid March of this year

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Pats%20Wild%20Discus/P3160009.jpg

Same fish now

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/P9160062.jpg

Second Hand Pat

11-12-2011, 02:25 AM

Mid March this year, fish on the right

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Pats%20Wild%20Discus/P3160019.jpg

Same fish now

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/P1010054.jpg

Second Hand Pat

11-12-2011, 02:34 AM

One more for this evening...aw morning

Mid March this year

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Pats%20Wild%20Discus/P3160026.jpg

Same fish now

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/Tefe_1.jpg

Eddie

11-12-2011, 03:56 AM

Nice fish/tank Pat! NICE!!!

Rummy

11-12-2011, 08:17 AM

The before and afters are great! When you look at your fish every day, you don't notice all of those changes they go through. When it is on pictures, it becomes easy to see. They have changed so much. All that hard work and TLC really pays off! (I don't really think its hard work. It's my time to relax while I play with the water!) Anyone could think they are different fish altogether.

Anik

Second Hand Pat

11-12-2011, 08:56 AM

Nice fish/tank Pat! NICE!!!

Thanks Eddie, high praise from you especially on wild greens ;)

The before and afters are great! When you look at your fish every day, you don't notice all of those changes they go through. When it is on pictures, it becomes easy to see. They have changed so much. All that hard work and TLC really pays off! (I don't really think its hard work. It's my time to relax while I play with the water!) Anyone could think they are different fish altogether.

Anik

Anik, I was surprised how hard it was to match the pictures up. These guys have grown alot but they are still not mature I think.

judy

11-20-2011, 12:13 AM

gosh, i love that tank. a beautiful, minimalist design statement. and then the fish....oi.

Second Hand Pat

11-20-2011, 12:59 AM

Thanks July, I do want to add some java moss on the wood just to add a bit more of a natural look. ;)

Second Hand Pat

11-20-2011, 09:15 PM

A video and some pictures from this afternoon. There was a small amount of sunlight in the tank and make the fish look neat. Please excuse the noise.

http://s925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/?action=view&current=VIDEO0113.mp4

First picture is without flash. The rest with flash. Please forgive the reflections.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMAG0687.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMAG0686.jpg

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMAG0684.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMAG0683.jpg

judy

11-20-2011, 09:23 PM

Those fish look SOOOOOOOOo happy!!!

Darrell Ward

11-20-2011, 09:36 PM

The sunlight helps to show how great it will look when you get the lighting installed.:)

Rummy

11-20-2011, 09:40 PM

The video is so nice to look at. There is nothing like sunlight to make the fish look their best. I agree with Judy. They do look very happy and beautiful, as always.

Anik

Second Hand Pat

11-20-2011, 09:43 PM

Those fish look SOOOOOOOOo happy!!!

Aw thanks Judy. They will sit suspended in the water column without moving and look so content there.

The sunlight helps to show how great it will look when you get the lighting installed.:)

Darrell, the MH are mounted on top of the tank but are still a bit bright for the tefes. I have some window screen between the lights and the tank and they are still staying under the wood. These guys look like they are are starting to mature? I think they still have a ways to go.

Disgirl

11-20-2011, 09:51 PM

Very beautiful fish Pat! They do look happy!
Barb

Second Hand Pat

11-20-2011, 10:23 PM

The video is so nice to look at. There is nothing like sunlight to make the fish look their best. I agree with Judy. They do look very happy and beautiful, as always.

Anik

Thanks Anik, you should see them in person....totally awesome. ;)

Very beautiful fish Pat! They do look happy!
Barb

Thanks Barb, how's that arm?...surgery soon I guess.

Darrell Ward

11-20-2011, 10:24 PM

If you turn one on for a few days, then both, they'll get used to it. Mine paid no attention to my lights from the start. Perhaps it is because they are used to much dimmer lighting? Looks like they are maturing for sure, but still have some to go. In Tefes I've had in the past, they turn more greenish tan instead of more brownish tan, and the light blue turns a rich turq. color.

Second Hand Pat

11-21-2011, 12:08 AM

Rummy

11-21-2011, 08:02 AM

How are the Cory cats working out for you? Do they leave enough for the Tefe's to graze?

Second Hand Pat

11-21-2011, 09:22 AM

Anik, everyone seems to be getting enough food. The cories were about 3/4 to 1 inch size when they first come and now they are about 2 inches or so. There are about a dozen of them. The tefe's do graze along side of the cories and they do not seem to be suffering if you look at how thick them are.

I target the food towards one of the pump returns which spreads the food across the bottom over 2/3s of the tank to help all get something to eat.

dadecountyalan

11-21-2011, 12:33 PM

pat when the fish that you have in qt get into that tank. your going to have a SHOW tank.

shoveltrash

11-21-2011, 07:02 PM

again, LOVELY lovely setup and gorgeous fish!!!! very jealous :)

Second Hand Pat

11-26-2011, 08:39 PM

Hey Alan, isn't it already a show tank :)

Thanks Trish ;) I'm a Patricia too.

Second Hand Pat

11-26-2011, 08:41 PM

Rams playing during a water change. If you look close you can see the little female rams I received from Bill. They are quite small compared to the males.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=b55pz6FbWjk

Second Hand Pat

11-26-2011, 10:42 PM

It's Tefe time

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB260016.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB260019.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB260021.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB260009.jpg
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http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PB260006.jpg

Dieselfool

11-26-2011, 11:25 PM

Absolutely stunning!

Second Hand Pat

11-26-2011, 11:28 PM

Thanks Al, how are your babies doing?

Rummy

11-26-2011, 11:31 PM

Everyone appears to be moving in a nice group in that last picture. Is everyone getting along well? The rams aren't bugging the discus? How is it going as far as keeping the tank clean? As always, they are looking great. I think that first fish is brighter than before.
Oh, and I enjoyed the video of the rams. I used to love to watch those little guys when I had them. Those tiny buggers seemed to always take over my tank... Especially the females.

Anik

Second Hand Pat

11-26-2011, 11:45 PM

Anik, in the video did you see the small female rams? The posturing of the rams in the video is about par for the rams. Once the females get larger I expect to see more interesting behaviors. The rams and the discus seem to be in harmony at the moment.

The tank stays reasonable clean. I did vacuum and stir the sand a couple times a week. The bulkhead collects water and junk from the bottom and top and I have to replace the filter batting once a week.

The guy in the first picture is the largest tefe. I waiting for the green to turn turquoise and the bodies to turn greenish brown to indicate these fish are maturing.

Rummy

11-27-2011, 01:25 AM

Yes I did see the tiny females. Those males will go for any age it seems ;)
I remember my males behaving well with everyone. It was the females that would become problematic for the other fish. I miss not having any. They were fun to watch. They have a lot of personality. Seems they are always up to something. Of course, their colors never cease to amaze me.
It seems like the waiting for the discus to grow up takes forever. At the same time, watching them slowly mature and seeing all of the details in how they change is a huge reward for the extra effort one puts into raising them.

Anik

TNT77

11-27-2011, 03:27 AM

Rams have such personalities. Those females are adorable. The tank should get quite exciting when those little girls grow up.

shoveltrash

11-27-2011, 09:20 AM

http://cosgan.de/images/midi/liebe/a044.gif I love the little Rams!

Second Hand Pat

11-27-2011, 10:07 AM

Thanks guys, Bill whom I bought the female rams said their were of spawning age. Two of them have little rosy bellies and I see the males making depressions in the sand, nesting sites I guess. Also one of the males has reversed it's black spot on the side. Anyone know what that means? either I'm boss or I'm the submissive male?

Dieselfool

11-30-2011, 11:56 PM

Thanks Al, how are your babies doing?

Mine are doing well. Haven't been on for awhile. Life seems to get in the way sometimes. Got a few days off, gonna try to get an update as well as some new pics up this weekend.
Al.

Second Hand Pat

12-01-2011, 01:07 AM

Glad to hear Al, would love to see some pictures

jimg

12-01-2011, 02:36 PM

Beautiful fish and tanks... nice job Pat!!

jball1125

12-01-2011, 04:25 PM

This is a beautiful Tank Pat. Very nicely done!

Second Hand Pat

12-01-2011, 11:53 PM

Beautiful fish and tanks... nice job Pat!!

Thanks Jim, appreciate it :)

This is a beautiful Tank Pat. Very nicely done!

Thanks too Jonas, seems like you have not been about to much on SD?

jball1125

12-02-2011, 11:56 PM

Thanks Jim, appreciate it :)

Thanks too Jonas, seems like you have not been about to much on SD?

Yea been real busy lately, Ill try and stop by more often.

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 12:28 AM

You guys let me know if you are getting bored with these guys. Some of them are getting quite thick.

http://youtu.be/LitjBfojN-I

TNT77

12-12-2011, 12:30 AM

Never get tired of these guys. :)

Darrell Ward

12-12-2011, 12:50 AM

Seems like you're getting better color now too.

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 12:58 AM

Never get tired of these guys. :)

Thanks Tara, me either. :)

Seems like you're getting better color now too.

Darrell, in the natural light these guys are more like the adult colors you were describing with a darker base color and the striations more turquoise. The largest one is coming up to about six inches or so. I guess a couple of daytime photos may be in order. Also the MHs are up and running on this tank and are burning in nicely. There is only one layer of window screen between the light and top of the tank now.

shoveltrash

12-12-2011, 08:30 AM

oh Pat......they are BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a couple of questions about your background (again LOL), would you mind me asking via pm?

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 09:11 AM

Thanks Trish, of course you may or post your questions right here. Your choice :)

Larry Bugg

12-12-2011, 10:15 AM

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 10:43 AM

I'm digging the light and they seem to not be affected by it. Fairly bright and creates some nice shadows. Still getting some tannins from the driftwood? I'm using Catappa leaves and they do a pretty good job of adding the tannins.

Larry, I use layers of window screen between the light and the tank to allow the fish to adjust to the light over time. There is only one layer now. The 70W MHs (6500k) are a fairly inexpensive choice over some of the other lights. are lightweight and have a small footprint. When I first started running the MH they were a bit greenish but will a little burn in time they show more true natural light. The DW is not giving me anymore tannins. Bill P. suggested boiling IAL in RO water for a blackwater extract so considering that. You have a source for Catappa leaves?

Larry Bugg

12-12-2011, 11:00 AM

shoveltrash

12-12-2011, 11:16 AM

Thanks Trish, of course you may or post your questions right here. Your choiceok.....
so - your background, I'm assuming that filtration is behind it? (I REALLY like the look of it being hidden)
what type filtration?

how much space does the background take up?
I just got myself a new 65g (hooray! too bad it wasn't bigger but it was a DEAL/steal)
I was thinking of using this type of background, but concerned that 65 is pretty small to begin with, and the more space I can keep the better.
really really love your tank! imitation is the greatest form of flattery right? ;) I'm hoping I can get this type of look, only smaller.

Jason K.

12-12-2011, 12:02 PM

You guys let me know if you are getting bored with these guys. Some of them are getting quite thick.

http://youtu.be/LitjBfojN-I
fish are looking good Pat!!! are you using peat?

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 12:28 PM

I got them from Amy. She is probably the biggest provider out there. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amys-50-A-LARGE-INDIAN-ALMOND-CATAPPA-LEAVES-discus-/250535166022?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a550f4046

You may have mentioned this earlier in the thread but where did you get the light? I might have to look into them.

Thanks Larry, I order the IALs from Amy, thanks. Darrell give me the link for these lights. Link is in the quote below.

Oh, OK. While I'm thinking about aquarium stuff, I found a good deal on lights today, even comes with the bulb. I'm thinking about getting a couple of these. That's even a better deal than the ones I got before....http://fishneedit.com/75w-metal-halide-pendant-ligh75.html

Chicago Discus

12-12-2011, 12:31 PM

Thats very pretty beautiful set up........Josie

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 12:40 PM

ok.....
so - your background, I'm assuming that filtration is behind it? (I REALLY like the look of it being hidden)
what type filtration?

how much space does the background take up?
I just got myself a new 65g (hooray! too bad it wasn't bigger but it was a DEAL/steal)
I was thinking of using this type of background, but concerned that 65 is pretty small to begin with, and the more space I can keep the better.
really really love your tank! imitation is the greatest form of flattery right? ;) I'm hoping I can get this type of look, only smaller.

Trish,

I used a slimline BG for this tank and is only 1 inch or so thick. http://www.designsbynature.net/products-page/slimline-bgs/ item BJ27WA. This backgound or any of the slimlines would work great in your tank. You do need something to brace against the top edge of the background or you will need to silicone it in.

This tank is a drilled tank attached to a sump so the filter media, heater is in the cabinet. Look at the first couple of pages of this thread (my build thread) to see the details.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?89162-230-Gallon-In-the-Making-Biotype

Congrats on the new tank and happy this tank gives you some ideas. ;)

Pat

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 12:50 PM

Thanks Jay, with these guys I am not using peat or RO. Out of the nine tefes in this tank, I have had six from March of this year and they have adapted nicely to my well water. Of other three, one has adapted and the other two are still acclimating. If you watch the video the two I refer are hanging out towards the back of the tank.

That said I will really do these guys justice with going to an RO mix so these x-mas the RO unit will be under the tree. :)

Second Hand Pat

12-12-2011, 12:52 PM

Thats very pretty beautiful set up........Josie

Thanks Josie ;)

Rummy

12-13-2011, 08:20 AM

Hi pat,
While we are on the subject of water... I have been debating about an RO unit as well. Would you mind sharing your water parameters and what helped make your final decision about the RO? Is it purely for breeding reasons, or are you looking for some other results?
I am considering it simply for the thriving vs. surviving aspect. I don't plan on breeding.

Anik

shoveltrash

12-13-2011, 09:44 AM

thanks Pat, for the info!

good question Anik.....I too have been debating RO (the "thriving vs surviving" question is what I'm most interested in!)

Second Hand Pat

12-13-2011, 10:12 AM

Anik, for the tefes the RO will allow me to provide an environment allowing them to thrive. Better colors and health in softer water. With the Cuipeua's, they are a future breeding project but the same reasons apply to them also. My water source is a 330 feet well which pulls water from the Florida Aquifer. GH/KH from tap is about 180 ppm based on the API KH/GH test kit. PH out of tap is 7.4, four hours of aeration and it is 8.2. I do not know the TDS yet as I do not have the meter.

Second Hand Pat

12-13-2011, 10:15 AM

thanks Pat, for the info!

good question Anik.....I too have been debating RO (the "thriving vs surviving" question is what I'm most interested in!)

Trish, the "thriving vs surviving" question applies more to wilds then domestics. If you only have domestics I would suggesting stick to tap.

Second Hand Pat

12-13-2011, 08:35 PM

Got a couple of these guys today from John.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/IMAG0774.jpg

Rummy

12-13-2011, 11:32 PM

Cute. What is he?

TNT77

12-13-2011, 11:33 PM

Some type of apisto?

Second Hand Pat

12-13-2011, 11:39 PM

Cute. What is he?

Some type of apisto?

Sold as Apisto Agassizii double red, received two pairs.

Rummy

12-13-2011, 11:44 PM

Duh! I should have recognized him. Anyway, they are cute little guys.

Second Hand Pat

12-13-2011, 11:53 PM

Duh! I should have recognized him. Anyway, they are cute little guys.

Thanks Anik, curious to see how these guys do. Never had them before.

ShinShin

12-14-2011, 02:56 AM

Blue rams in a biotope, Pat?

Nice discus.

Mat

Second Hand Pat

12-14-2011, 08:15 AM

Blue rams in a biotope, Pat?

Nice discus.

Mat

Thanks Mat,, weak moment on the rams, like the silly things.

pcsb23

12-14-2011, 08:52 AM

Hi Pat ime the Apistos are harem breeders ... likely one of the males could be pushed out (or worse), one of my favourite little fishes too! Tank is looking great too.

Second Hand Pat

12-14-2011, 09:07 AM

Hi Pat ime the Apistos are harem breeders ... likely one of the males could be pushed out (or worse), one of my favourite little fishes too! Tank is looking great too.

Thanks Paul, I have read that but could only buy these little guys as two pairs. I will stay on the look out for more females. In nature you have any idea how far apart breeding colonies are?

pcsb23

12-14-2011, 09:28 AM

Thanks Paul, I have read that but could only buy these little guys as two pairs. I will stay on the look out for more females. In nature you have any idea how far apart breeding colonies are?Not really Pat. In a largish tank like your you may get away with two lots, I wasn't successful when I tried in a 100 US gal tank with two males (and six females btw). Gorgeous fish though.

dghby

12-14-2011, 09:52 AM

Wow, stunning.

Second Hand Pat

12-14-2011, 08:49 PM

Not really Pat. In a largish tank like your you may get away with two lots, I wasn't successful when I tried in a 100 US gal tank with two males (and six females btw). Gorgeous fish though.

Thanks Paul

Wow, stunning.

Thanks dghby :)

bigjohnson

12-14-2011, 09:27 PM

Very nice setup Pat, you seem to be a very motivated person...I need some of that, it never seems like there's enough hours in the day for me...at work or home...again, outstanding setup.

Second Hand Pat

12-14-2011, 09:31 PM

Thanks Mark, being an empty nester helps.

Bill63SG

12-15-2011, 12:40 AM

I have been following from the begining.Stalking a 220 right now.

Second Hand Pat

12-15-2011, 12:43 AM

I have been following from the begining.Stalking a 220 right now.

Awesome, acrylic or glass

Bill63SG

12-15-2011, 01:00 AM

Glass,and I know they're going to tell me the life story of how much they spent for every piece of gravel.And the price would have to be fantastic,because no stand,so I would be into that new.

Second Hand Pat

12-15-2011, 01:16 AM

Bill, hope you get a killer deal...tell them you do not want the gravel :)

Second Hand Pat

12-19-2011, 07:05 PM

Some daytime pictures of the tefe's to show true colors. On the gender thing, pure speculation on my part based on observation. Feel free to tell me I am wet behind the ears

The boys (guessing here, these are larger, have more finnage and longer rays)

Dominant male or fish
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PC190101.jpg

Other maybe males
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PC190088.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PC190097.jpg

Two of the girls

Like this fish, nice shape and clean
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PC190098.jpg

More of a typical green
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PC190091.jpg

Group shots

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PC190095.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/PC190102.jpg

shoveltrash

12-19-2011, 09:23 PM

wow, the metallic blue striations really *POP* - what nice photos :)

Second Hand Pat

12-20-2011, 12:12 AM

Thanks Trish, they are even brighter in person.

ShinShin

12-31-2011, 04:16 AM

An apisto "master" in a fish club I belonged to told me that apistogrammas require 2' x 2' square of territory to live in relative peace with more than one female. I used to breed them myself in a 12"H x 12"W x 48"L tank I had built. I never harem bred them, but 2 prs. in the one tank. I had it planted, wood and some rock for 20" from ea. end with a 4" open area in the center. I never saw them "trespass" onto each other's end of the tank.

Mat

Discoball

12-31-2011, 04:42 AM

Great fish - Great setup!

Second Hand Pat

12-31-2011, 09:52 AM

Hey Mat, This tank has a 6 x 2 feet footprint and all is peaceful.

Thanks Discoball.

Second Hand Pat

01-03-2012, 09:48 PM

These guys seem to be getting some color in their tails meaning that they are maturing.

Tank shots
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0076.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0077.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0078.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0080.jpg

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0063.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0067.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0068.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0071.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/230/IMG_0073.jpg

Darrell Ward

01-03-2012, 09:52 PM

Tail patterns are a clear sign of maturity.

Second Hand Pat

01-03-2012, 09:55 PM

Tail patterns are a clear sign of maturity.

They have not patterned out completely but definitely not clear at the base.

spiffyfish

01-03-2012, 09:56 PM

Really nice fish Pat, dont know how ive missed this thread

Second Hand Pat

01-03-2012, 09:58 PM

Thanks Chris, this thread is in my homesteader section so easy to miss.

Darrell Ward

01-03-2012, 10:03 PM

Looking good. I really like the turq. on this guy...

Second Hand Pat

01-03-2012, 10:07 PM

He just gets brighter and brighter and top dog in the tank. You can tell I really like him based on all the pictures of him :)

Bill63SG

01-04-2012, 12:35 AM

Still hunting Pat.Spent the holidays selling off any loose thing or fish that weren't up to snuff.Got my sights on a 200,and a 220.Over the holidays,still the funniest thing.My brother calling people over to look and this fish,and it is the most heaviest pb peppered youv'e ever seen.

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 12:41 AM

Bill, you getting a 200 and 220 or whichever is available first? It can takes awhile to find the right tank. Some folks like the peppered look. For me, pepper only on my food. :)

Bill63SG

01-04-2012, 12:51 AM

When they were posted,didn't have the $.Sold some fish for less then I would have liked,but they were"culls".Now I'm in the ball game,so going to make some calls.The fish looked great until you compare them to the ones I pulled.Those red turqs I've posted.Bought 12,kept eight,everybody's story here.Our cull's better then anything at a lfs.

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 12:54 AM

Our cull's better then anything at a lfs.

Isn't that the truth. So you are seriously looking now...cool

Bill63SG

01-04-2012, 01:00 AM

Yeah,wife's cool about it,and all th $ was from selling tanks,fish,equipment.There could probably a seperate tv show on fish room hoarders.

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 01:03 AM

Yeah,wife's cool about it,and all th $ was from selling tanks,fish,equipment.There could probably a seperate tv show on fish room hoarders.

Never considered myself in that light, damn the shoe fits.

Bill63SG

01-04-2012, 01:04 AM

Never considered myself in that light, damn the shoe fits.Wear it.

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 01:17 AM

Ok, but want my own tv show...maybe can beat tanked

Bill63SG

01-04-2012, 01:20 AM

Hard not to.I know it's for tv,but couldn't be that big a dufus.I take it back a little,I'm getting to 50,lost alot of integrity and ready to sell out and cash in.

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 01:25 AM

Ok, you go for it. I will watch.

Darrell Ward

01-04-2012, 01:37 AM

I sold off over a dozen tanks on Craigslist that I wasn't using in 2011 myself. The largest being a 180 gal. It even made enough room in my shop to park my Mustang in for the snowy months, freeing up garage space! I've never really been a "pack rat", still it's amazing how much equipment you can collect over the years.

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 01:41 AM

Or saddles

TNT77

01-04-2012, 03:16 AM

Or saddles
Haha I'm a bit and bridle pack rat.

Bill63SG

01-04-2012, 07:14 AM

My biggest regret of late is when I gave all my "old" hagen 500's to the kid next door because I was going to use nothing but emperor's.Also running only 1 tank,so who cares about cartridge cost.

shoveltrash

01-04-2012, 07:21 AM

I really like the turq. on this guy...
+1
beautiful!!!

are they getting transitioned to your new RO water? (sorry if I missed this!)

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 10:20 AM

Haha I'm a bit and bridle pack rat.

Tara, I'm short, not even 5 feet and fender on many adult saddle fenders are too long.

My biggest regret of late is when I gave all my "old" hagen 500's to the kid next door because I was going to use nothing but emperor's.Also running only 1 tank,so who cares about cartridge cost.

Bummer Bill.

+1
beautiful!!!

are they getting transitioned to your new RO water? (sorry if I missed this!)

Thanks Trish and yes, they received one third RO to two thirds tap last WC.

shoveltrash

01-04-2012, 11:09 AM

ps - had to laugh at "bit & bridle/saddle pack rat"
my barn is FULL of horse hoarding items......I even refuse to throw away broken halters (save the hardware!), bridle pieces, and I have over 15 bits <embarrassed>

Pat I'm jealous of your RO! :D

TNT77

01-04-2012, 11:38 AM

Second Hand Pat

01-04-2012, 12:03 PM

Horse stuff is like fish stuff. Can never have enough and never know when you may need spare parts to fix something ;)

Second Hand Pat

03-07-2012, 11:27 AM

I have not posted on this thread in a while as this tank has been used as a brooding tank for a Tefe spawn. Removing the fry Monday night left the tank in shambles and I was/am planning a redo of the tanks decor to allow easy subdivision of sure there be another spawn. The fish however are beating me to the punch line...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AJ5JA6xoe4&feature=youtu.be

Second Hand Pat

03-13-2012, 12:03 AM

Some of the other tefe's in this tank

Other male
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P3120005.jpg

Other females
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P3120010.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P3120007.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P3120006.jpg

shoveltrash

03-13-2012, 08:35 AM

I just love your group Pat - one of my favorites here at SD!
your fish may not give you time to redecorate :p

Second Hand Pat

03-13-2012, 09:26 AM

Thanks Trish, the pair did not give me time to redecorate.

This is what the tank looks like at the moment.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/P1010046.jpg

shoveltrash

03-13-2012, 11:40 AM

Second Hand Pat

03-13-2012, 12:01 PM

well, at least you have that option! even though it's not quite as aesthetically pleasing LOL. must be much easier than having to move a pair to another 'breeder' tank! hope the wee little ones are doing well :)

The wigglers are tucked up on the wood as a group and wiggling away. Perhaps tomorrow they will go free swimming and we can get a better look at them.

Second Hand Pat

04-12-2012, 10:02 PM

With all the breeding happening in this tank the other Tefe's have been maturing.

Here are the other two males and they have really colored up. They are also larger then the breeding male now
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P1010138.jpg

And a couple of the other females. I am conditioning them with red wigglers. There are the adults and the other two are sub-adult females
This is actually a pretty little fish when she has her fins all erect, other wise she appears bottom heavy
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P1010140.jpg

Here's a better picture (but earlier)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P3120006.jpg

The topmost female is my butt ugly female and she has the most spots. The one below has a more typical green shape.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Green%20Tefe%20Discus/P1010139.jpg

shoveltrash

04-13-2012, 05:00 AM

hey, "butt ugly"??? I like that fish! :D
the 2 males are stunning!

Second Hand Pat

04-13-2012, 10:01 AM

hey, "butt ugly"??? I like that fish! :D
the 2 males are stunning!

Believe me Trish, it is butt ugly.

All the spawning in the tank have definitely matured out these two males. Looks like they will even be developing trailers. I have also noticed that the breeding female has grown but the breeding male has not. The female is almost as long as the male. Definitely interesting developments. I thought the females quit or slowed their growth while producing eggs.

Eddie

04-13-2012, 11:29 AM

Nice looking greens, the males look very nice!

Second Hand Pat

04-13-2012, 11:35 AM

Thanks Eddie, the males have matured out nicely. I do have two more female not pictured who are still sub-adults. There is some potential with them.

Second Hand Pat

10-19-2012, 08:53 PM

Some pictures with the new camera.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0069_zps0accc8ee.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0067_zps6b1621f5.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0065_zps36dac328.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0064_zps6fe136fb.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0062_zpsc0bf58f1.jpg