Cuipeua Crew

[Second Hand Pat]

It is a continuation thread for the Cuipeua's adult I received from Mark (Discus Origins).

This is one of the two royal's I received and the alpha of the group.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/p1010121.jpg

This solid is swimming around with the above royal.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/p1010120.jpg

The other royal which is more fully striated. The two pictures were taken with two different cameras.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/p1010119.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB160098.jpg

Centerbar in full attack mode. This one is showing the most red ATM.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1010126.jpg

[Darrell Ward]

Since you have moved on, and now own very expensive fish, how about sending us common folk your Tefes! We'll pay shipping. LOL!;)

[jimg]

Since you have moved on, and now own very expensive fish, how about sending us common folk your Tefes! We'll pay shipping. LOL!;)+1

[jarret8x]

I love that center bar makes me want to setup a wild tank.

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[Second Hand Pat]

Since you have moved on, and now own very expensive fish, how about sending us common folk your Tefes! We'll pay shipping. LOL!;)

Oh Darrell, I have not "moved on". It is my hope to use these guys as breeding partners for the Cuipeua juvies I raising. ;)


+1

..and besides, I love my tefe's

[Second Hand Pat]

I love that center bar makes me want to setup a wild tank.

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Thanks Jarret, it is quite the little character. It is the smallest one and is rather a bully.

[Larry Bugg]

What is the size difference between the two Royals, if any? The one that I have that shows the full striations is considerable larger than the 2nd royal which only faintly shows the full striations. I'm hoping that as it continues to settle in and grows the striations will become more pronounced.

[Second Hand Pat]

Larry, the lesser striated one is slightly larger then the fuller striated one. Like you, I'm betting that these guys will show more striations as they settle. You received the largest royal if I recall correctly and it was quite a bit larger then both of mine.

[Larry Bugg]

Yes, he is a monster. Probably around 8".

[Darrell Ward]

You might have a shot breeding F1s to them. Seriously, that would be cool!

[TNT77]

I really love that centerbar Pat. Stunning fish.

[YSS]

Looking better and better, Pat. I assume they are in QT? Where will they go when they get out?

[Second Hand Pat]

Yes, he is a monster. Probably around 8".

Wow, he is a monster.


You might have a shot breeding F1s to them. Seriously, that would be cool!

Yea Darrell, think I have a real chance that this without have to woe a wild female.


I really love that centerbar Pat. Stunning fish.

Yes, it is a really stunning little fish...very determined to define it's corner of the tank.


Looking better and better, Pat. I assume they are in QT? Where will they go when they get out?

Yun, you bet ya they are in QT. Just finished the metro treatment yesterday, on to prazipro next. The adults will go into the 100 first. After the juvies are grown out I considering a larger future tank. The Cuiprea crew will be 11 strong at that point.

[Keith Perkins]

No surprise, I like those solids Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

Keith, solids just for you.

This one is showing a bit of red.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB230128.jpg

Same fish, both sides. This fish does have a small centerbar.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB230124.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB230120.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

This guy is proving hard to get a decent picture of...

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB230132.jpg

[Keith Perkins]

I really like the 2nd and 3rd shots, remember that camera setting.

[Second Hand Pat]

I really like the 2nd and 3rd shots, remember that camera setting.

:thumbsup:

[Second Hand Pat]

There guys started to shine tonight. Like someone turned on an orange flashlight.
First the solids and centerbar

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260033.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260022.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260046.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260028.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

One of the royals

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260026.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260040.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

And the other royal

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260025.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260036.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Couple of groups shots.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260037.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260041.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260029.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260047.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

A bit grainy due to the low light


http://youtu.be/JJxvN_MyJ7A

[TNT77]

Noticed you have a new avatar. :D Excellent

[Rummy]

They are soooo handsome! I could go on and on... There is at least one that appears to be perfectly round.
They look like they are so comfortable in their tank. They look like they've settled in quite well. I've lost track. When did you get these? I am starting to get mixed up with everyone's new additions. Who got what and when? I guess it is an aging thing. :confused:

Anik

Nice avatar, by the way!

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks guys, the one picture worked nicely for the avatar.

Anik, had these guys about a month now and they are still in the QT. They have settled nicely ;)

[YSS]

Very nice!

[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice!

Thanks Yun

[Rummy]

Are these guys going into the display tank? Or do you get to get another Christmas-birthday-mother's day gift?

Anik

[Second Hand Pat]

Anik, the adults will go into the 100 gallon for the near future. When the juvies join then as adults we shall see. :)

[Jason K.]

looking very nice pat. my desktop has a pool of drool all over it!

[Second Hand Pat]

Yea Jay, happens to me every time I look at these guys. Sorry for the wet keyboard ;)

[TNT77]

One of the royals

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260026.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PB260040.jpg
Hey Pat..does this one have scaring from HTH or am I just seeing things?

[Second Hand Pat]

I will check when I get home. If it does didn't happen on my watch. At work at the moment so can not really look.

[Jason K.]

I think what you are seeing are it's censory pit's.

[TNT77]

Thats what I thought till I looked above the eye itself you can see pits across the striations.

[Second Hand Pat]

Well Tnt, the actual fish does have additional pits on both sides of the face. Whether caused by HITH or something else is hard to tell being that this is a wild fish.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/scarring.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

The Cuipeua solids are starting to really show some serious red. One of the royal's is recovering from a columnaris outbreak (suspect feeding live blackworms). He is the one in the back right corner.

I want to thank Gary (TURQ64) for guiding me through this...Thanks Gary.


http://youtu.be/5v8WsioB8Lc

[Larry Bugg]

They are looking great Pat. Love the center bar!!

[Rummy]

They are showing some nice red. I am glad that all is settling down again.

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking great Pat. Love the center bar!!

Thanks Larry, that center bar is a little firecracker, not only in color but in pushing the others about too. Feisty fish lol


They are showing some nice red. I am glad that all is settling down again.

Thanks Anik, just image what these guys are going to look like in six months.

[Discus-n00b]

Nice Pat, what are you feeding?

[Second Hand Pat]

Hey Matt, frozen black worms, FDBWs, and Ken's premium flake (3 types in one). I want to get them on a good seafood mix but not there yet.

[Altum Nut]

They are truly stunning Pat.
Very bright red eyes is a clear indication that they are in good hands.

...Ralph

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Ralph :) I remember Hudson saying that and it's one thing I try to watch.

[Second Hand Pat]

I watch the last posted video and it is a bit fuzzy also the fish are not quite that red. These pics show a better representation of the fish.

Solids
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC190054.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC190083.jpg

Centerbar, now this one is quite red.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC190085.jpg

And the one royal.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC190074.jpg

Group shot showing the size difference.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC190063.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

First one is getting red

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC200053.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC200045.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC200054.jpg

Learning to eat Al's FDBWs

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC200049.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Here's three new ones, two royals and one solid. Selected there based on shape and color.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC210059.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/PC210066.jpg

[Rummy]

That's some perti fish got them there Maam. Lol
So how many discus do you have now? It almost sounds like you are going to need a fish room soon.
They are gorgeous, by the way.

Happy holidays

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Anik, I sort of do have a fish room or shall we say a small room next to the garage with three tanks and two large tanks in the living areas of the house. On the Cuipeua crew there are seven adults and six juvies. nine Tefes in the 230 and another six assorted in a 75. The latest Cuipeua in the post above your post are in a 100 gallon with a black background. That black background may not work for the Cuipeua. Make them looks dusky.

[Rummy]

I think the wrong color background is definitely a valid excuse for a new bigger tank.

[Second Hand Pat]

Or I could just put the slimline background back in :(...that is what hubby would say.

[Rummy]

That's the logical thing to do. But, who has time to be logical these days.
The slimline it is, then. Mine would say the same. He was actually very happy to have read all of those responses I had about keeping my fish packed like sardines in the 90 gal. And he's the one responsible for getting me into keeping discus.

[Second Hand Pat]

... And he's the one responsible for getting me into keeping discus.

Same here :)

[Second Hand Pat]

This guys are done with QT and are showing a little more red.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/P1040013.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/P1040002.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

If you want three fish in one this centerbar fits the bill

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/P1040009.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/P1040007.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/P1040006.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

The last two are solids and one is the low man on the pecking order and hard to get a decent picture.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/P1040008.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/P1040018.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

These guys are almost done with QT.

Getting red..

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1060024.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1060028.jpg

The group

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1060032.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1060027.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1060031.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1060030.jpg


...and one more

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Cuipeua%20Adult/P1060019.jpg

[nikond70s]

very very nice pat! loving them!

[Keith Perkins]

That's a pretty neat indicator of when your fish are ready to come out of QT, turning red. :) They are sure looking awesome.

[DiscusLoverJeff]

WOWWWWWWWW

Great looking wilds Pat. Damn perty.

Nice job!

WOWWWWWWWW

[Second Hand Pat]

very very nice pat! loving them!

Thanks nikond70s


That's a pretty neat indicator of when your fish are ready to come out of QT, turning red. :) They are sure looking awesome.

Thanks Keith, they should get redder over time. :) They need to stay in the tank they are in until the other group is ready, then a careful introduce into the main tank.


WOWWWWWWWW

Great looking wilds Pat. Damn perty.

Nice job!

WOWWWWWWWW

Thanks Jeff, this is what your F1s will look like. ;)

[bonsai dave]

Wow what a collection of wilds. Great job keep up the good work. How long do you qt them for and do you use any meds?

[Darrell Ward]

Pat, I don't think they are going to make it. Tell you what, I'll do ya a favor, box em up, send them to NC, and I'll pay the shipping. You know, I'll take em off your hands, and you can order some new ones! Hee Hee! ;) J/K. They are coloring up pretty good now.

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow what a collection of wilds. Great job keep up the good work. How long do you qt them for and do you use any meds?

Thanks Dave, these guys have been in QT about seven weeks and used metronidazole, flubendazole, prazi pro and AFLB to debug and deworm. I am slowly transitioning them to reconstituted RO water using an RO/tap mix.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, I don't think they are going to make it. Tell you what, I'll do ya a favor, box em up, send them to NC, and I'll pay the shipping. You know, I'll take em off your hands, and you can order some new ones! Hee Hee! ;) J/K. They are coloring up pretty good now.

Darrell, I did lose one :( but these guys have been healthy and eating throughout the QT process. Only thing really left is getting them use to brighter light. Tell ya what, if I ever more to NC I may share them :). Yes baby they are coloring up. I bet the reconstituted RO will really bring out the colors.

[Darrell Ward]

I'll bet it will too.

[jimg]

Thanks Dave, these guys have been in QT about seven weeks and used metronidazole, flubendazole, prazi pro and AFLB to debug and deworm. I am slowly transitioning them to reconstituted RO water using an RO/tap mix.Pat what dose/duration do you use the flubendazole and 5%?

[Second Hand Pat]

Jim, I have the 10% and according to the inkmaker website it's 1/4 teaspoon per 20 gallons and this is what I used. I just went to try and verify that and the website seems to be down. I also have his pdf file downloaded and it's dosage is pretty different.

I would what to verify the pdf's dosage with Charles Harrison before using it.


Effective treatment for Hydra, Intestinal parasites including Hexamita, Gill fl ukes and Callamanus
Flubendazole is a compound belonging to a group of chemical compounds which are effective in controlling
intestinal parasites like round worms, tape worms and pin worms, etc. These compounds are NOT antibiotics.
They do not control bacteria or fungal infections and in fact may escalate these problems as they kill off the
other infections. This compound is not the cure all.
Flubendazole is useful for controlling intestinal parasites. These parasites include most of the nematodes, fl ukes
and protozoa. Flubendazole is active through adsorption into the fi sh skin and gills. The drug does not have to
be eaten to be effective. This makes the drug useful for treating fi shes which have quit eating due to irritation
from infection.
Effective treatment can be achieved with a dose of 1/2 gram per 5 gallons of treated water. A much higher
economical treatment can be achieved by removing half of the water in the treated tank as long as the usual
aeration and mixing can be maintained.
First things fi rst, the tank water should be changed. It is not necessary to clean the tank, just change the water,
all of it. After treatment, change it again. The bodies of the dead animals need to be removed. Also, it is best to
have live wiggling or jumping food in front of the patients as they recover so have live baby brine shrimp or
worms ready for the treated fi shes.
Add 1/4 teaspoon of the medication for each 5 gallons of tank water. It may fl oat for a while, but it needs to be
mixed into the tank water, swirl it in to dissolve. Hydra, Ick and Velvet take three days to remove. Heximeta
may take three doses to remove completely over fi ve to seven days to complete. Three days after the fi rst
treatment change the water again. Add another dose of 1/4 teaspoon/5 gal. to the fresh water. Change the water
a second time after 5 to 7 days.
This should take care of everything. A third dose after three or four weeks will insure the treatment, but usually
isnʼt necessary unless symptoms reappear.
Charles H. Harrison, Ph. D.
319 Martigney Dr.
Mehlville, MO 63129
(314) 894-9761
csharrison @ inkmaker.net <Charles and Sue Harrison>

[jimg]

Thanks Pat that's what I use the 10% at 1/4 per 20 but I use it with dmso. the page you show from his site says 1/4 per 5 gal? The last flubendazole I got was almost useless. I thought maybe you tried kursuri or something. Thanks

[Second Hand Pat]

OK, the website is up

http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/ItemsForSale.html

and the dosage with the 10% is

Flubendazole 10 % powder
Best for eliminating Hydra. Treats protozoa wasting disease, serious treatment for Velvet, enternal and external parasites, 1/4 teaspoon of 10 % powder treats about 20 gallons of water for most parasitic Protozoa. Eliminate Carbon filtration during treatment. Change most of the water after 10 days. Will not harm plants, Prolonged use will kill many snails. ........

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Pat that's what I use the 10% at 1/4 per 20 but I use it with dmso. the page you show from his site says 1/4 per 5 gal? The last flubendazole I got was almost useless. I thought maybe you tried kursuri or something. Thanks

Jim, I remember you mentioning that. I ordered the flubendazole I have now about this time last year. When did you order yours?

[jimg]

Jim, I remember you mentioning that. I ordered the flubendazole I have now about this time last year. When did you order yours? most like the same time, I got it for wild greens so it was last winter.... i think!
maybe just a bad batch