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discuspaul
05-26-2012, 08:01 PM
This is a copy of a thread I started on the Planted Tank forum a couple of months ago, which generated a lot of interest, many posts and queries, and some good healthy discussion. I thought it might be useful to discus newcomers logging in to the Beginner's section on SD.




D-I-S-C-U-S - 6 Cardinal 'rules' for newbies to follow

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There's been a lot of talk on this forum lately about raising and keeping Discus, and I thought it may be timely and appropriate to post this thread.

First I'd just like to mention once again that discus are hardier than many people think, and are not difficult to keep, so long as one is prepared to accept and adhere to a few key practices that will provide the best chances of success with discus.

There is nothing new here to experienced discus-keepers in the listing of the points that follow, and even to many newcomers to discus who have at one time or another, read these simple but effective recommendations, and recognize their validity.

The problem I found however, judging by the large number of posts by discus newbies on several forums that reflect frustration, disappointment and misfortunes, is that it seems far too many novices to discus, for whatever reasons, do not pay serious attention to what they're being advised to do, or not do.

Perhaps this is because they think they may know better than the discus 'gurus'. Either that, or they don't have the time, inclination, or financial resources to do what is being suggested, and follow a different path.

Some may feel they just want to try a different approach, deviate
somewhat, try something new they feel will work for them - whatever - there are many reasons why some newbies will proceed in another direction, only to be met with failure.

Which leads me to post what might be considered to be trite, old hat, redundant, or even agonizingly repetitive commentary, but following this undernoted advice should prove to be a near guarantee that one will achieve success with discus.

This listing is recorded more or less in order of importance:

1) - D - Do your homework well before delving into discus. Read and research all you can beforehand. Googling will certainly help, as well as spending a good deal of time reading the posts and threads on the simplydiscus.com forum, particularly the stickies in their 'Discus Basics'
section, which will provide you with much of the material you need to digest.

2) - I - Investigate and learn of the best sources to get your discus stock. Find those breeders &/or importers that are long time, well-experienced, responsible, reputable, and known to supply high quality, healthy, and well-shaped discus. Buy your discus from one of these sources in order to insure that you get off on the best footing possible.
This is the single, most important factor in succeeding with discus.

3) - S - Set up and plan to follow a strict regular routine of fresh water changes, tank wipe-downs and cleansing, vacuuming of wastes, and regular filter and media cleaning, changes, replacements, and maintenance. Be fully prepared for the kind of commitment it takes to produce and maintain the highest water quality and conditions that you can.

4) - C - Carefully consider the type of tank set up you start with. Make sure the tank size is ample enough to start with 5 or 6 discus. Don't be tempted to begin with a tank of less than 55 or 60 gallons, and don't try to justify going smaller by just getting 1, 2, 3, or 4 discus for cost or other reasons.
Wait till you have sufficient resources to get a proper-sized tank, and the suitable size and number of fish to insure continuing good health and harmonious discus sociability.
Do not start with small, undersized, very juvenile fish which have not yet developed a more mature immune system, are more demanding to raise properly, and much more prone to health problems and other issues. Get fish of at least 3.0" in size, preferably larger.

5) - U - Undertake to start off with a bare bottom tank, unless you're getting fully adult fish and have previous good experience with maintaining a planted tank. If you must have some decor, limit yourself to a very thin sand substrate layer, and perhaps a piece of driftwood with just a couple of small plants attached, or one or two potted plants.
Once you gain several months' of experience getting to know your discus' traits & behavior, and your discus get larger, then you may proceed to an aquascaped environment. Feed a varied diet, several times a day, and learn which foods will achieve a nutritious diet, by researching.

6) - S - Simplify. Keep things as simple as you can to start. Don't complicate your start with discus, at least at first, by placing them in a heavily planted environment, using CO2 and a strict fertilization regime. Make sure your tank is fully cycled before adding the fish, and don't be tempted to alter or change the pH of your water, or modify your water conditions and params by using chemicals of any kind. No need to use RO water or adopt any other procedures that would tend to complicate what should be a simple start to your discus launch.

Follow these 'rules', and there's little doubt you will succeed with discus !

Teshi
05-26-2012, 08:55 PM
OH I like this. Only problem is most new discus adopters get the fish before they come to this forum. Like me they find it when they start having issues and NEED help. Could you adapt it for Ok.. you've got discus with issues. ?

DiscusDrew
05-26-2012, 09:00 PM
Excellent post Paul.... Now for the most difficult part.... getting everyone to READ the post BEFORE they venture into the discus world preferably. Not that any one of us is opposed to helping by any means, but this information is given time and time again to almost every question in the "Disease Discussion" Forum and in the "Discus Basics" section, and if these rules are followed, it allows for a more successful and enjoyable experience for the hobbyist all around, not to mention the health of the fish.

discuspaul
05-26-2012, 09:13 PM
OH I like this. Only problem is most new discus adopters get the fish before they come to this forum. Like me they find it when they start having issues and NEED help. Could you adapt it for Ok.. you've got discus with issues. ?


Excellent post Paul.... Now for the most difficult part.... getting everyone to READ the post BEFORE they venture into the discus world preferably. Not that any one of us is opposed to helping by any means, but this information is given time and time again to almost every question in the "Disease Discussion" Forum and in the "Discus Basics" section, and if these rules are followed, it allows for a more successful and enjoyable experience for the hobbyist all around, not to mention the health of the fish.

Thanks - Both of you are right on about many newbies not getting the message before buying their discus.
But maybe....just maybe.... some new viewers on SD will read this before buying !
And Teshi, I'll think about writing something to help out those who already have discus with issues.

Trier20
05-27-2012, 12:26 AM
Good stuff Paul! Too bad people at the LFS don't try to educate people before they buy.


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Elliots
05-27-2012, 06:05 AM
I agree. I was going to buy small Discus and raise them in a planted tank. This forum convinced me to not try as the success rate is probably very small. I read extensively on this site and I found many things that I would have done wrong. For example, get two heaters and a separate controller so the heaters don't stick on and kill everything.

yusufm52
05-27-2012, 06:55 AM
Exactly to the point... Just the way it should be. Listening to the members advice has helped me get to know wht is stressing my discus and to know about this interesting fish.. :thumbup:

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mmorris
05-27-2012, 09:59 PM
Quarantine? I suspect most people who buy discus already have other fish of one sort or another.

discuspaul
05-28-2012, 01:22 PM
Quarantine? I suspect most people who buy discus already have other fish of one sort or another.

Good point, Martha.
I did think of that but decided to leave it out, in the interests of brevity of the 6 points, and because I felt that if newbies actually did their research homework - the number 1 'rule' - (i.e. reading through the stickies in the SD discus basics section), they would have run across and taken good note of the several alerts for the need to QT, whether that be adding other discus, or other fish species.

And hopefully, some will read these last couple of posts too - LOL

jeander
05-28-2012, 11:49 PM
Paul as a new member and future discus owner I want to thank you for this succinct starter. I can't wait to get my discus but I still feel like I am months away LOL. This site has been great and I am devouring everything I can. The only thing that is really hitting me at this point is why I didn't start this journey 20 years ago. . . . . See you all around I hope:)

Jeff