My new formed blue ss pair

[trusty]

I raised these fish from 1.5 they are huge and paired up I will post more pics this is pair one I will post pair two shortly.

[DiscusDrew]

I thought SS pairs had the "death" gene? or something like that.

[Mili]

I thought SS pairs had the "death" gene? or something like that.
Whats that?

[DiscusDrew]

SS Pairs can have issues with their fry from what Ive heard, as in theres something in the genetic line when bred together that creates a disorder in the fry. Just what Ive read, Ive never had a SS pair so Im not speaking from experience but I know there is information on this forum about the couple.

[DiscusKev]

SS Pairs can have issues with their fry from what Ive heard, as in theres something in the genetic line when bred together that creates a disorder in the fry. Just what Ive read, Ive never had a SS pair so Im not speaking from experience but I know there is information on this forum about the couple.

The only problem with Snakeskin variant is that they do not breed true, which means, you will get a variation of 9 bars and 14 bars.

[Rod]

I thought SS pairs had the "death" gene? or something like that.


SS Pairs can have issues with their fry from what Ive heard, as in theres something in the genetic line when bred together that creates a disorder in the fry. Just what Ive read, Ive never had a SS pair so Im not speaking from experience but I know there is information on this forum about the couple.


The only problem with Snakeskin variant is that they do not breed true, which means, you will get a variation of 9 bars and 14 bars.

The 'death gene' that is being discussed here, is merely a hypothosis blown way out of proportion. The facts are: Snakeskin is controlled by a single gene mutation. It is a dominant gene that is heterozygous in action. When 2 dominant hets are bred together, gene theory says 25% of the fry will be homozygous for the gene. As DiscusKev rightly pointed out, snakeskins don't beed true. Therefore ,homozygous snakeskins don't occur. Why don't they occur, when the theory says they must? Thats the debate. Its not about unhealthy discus, or ss's suddenly dropping dead, or any other such nonsense. Its about the missing fish!

Rod

[vicdiscus]

I have a pair of Red Snakeskin, the babies turn out very nice. Also I cross bred with The male blue Scropion and Red Snakeskin. The offspring turn out very nice. I have only one left.

I will take a photo of the one.

[vicdiscus]

here

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w458/duncandiscus/DSCF2876.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w458/duncandiscus/DSCF2874.jpg

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w458/duncandiscus/DSCF2872.jpg

It is only 6 months old at 5" without tail.

[trusty]

Vic your red ss are awesome

[trusty]

you got more pics I have another pair that formed.

[trusty]

the male of the second pair

[trusty]

look nice

[vicdiscus]

Thank you,.. The pic of Blue Scropion SS x Red Snakeskin.

Mom had nice red snakeskin pattern but her shape was not great. Dad is very nice round shape that how I crossed breed them . The young one turned out very nice.

[mmorris]

Its not about unhealthy discus, or ss's suddenly dropping dead, or any other such nonsense. Its about the missing fish!

Rod
Could they be dead at the egg stage?

[CliffsDiscus]

I raised these fish from 1.5 they are huge and paired up I will post more pics this is pair one I will post pair two shortly.

Carlos,
Nice going, keep us posted.

Cliff

[nc0gnet0]

Could they be dead at the egg stage?

I believe the theory is they die just after going free swimming. It would be very similar to what you get when you breed to albino intermediates with the 25% of the albino's being the weaklings. Only difference is the heterozygous SS's are still snakeskins, the 25% die off is from the homogenous SS offspring.

[mmorris]

I believe the theory is they die just after going free swimming..
I've bred snakeskin and I saw no die-off upon free-swimming or after hatching.

[trusty]

thanks cliff my buddy hope all is well I will keep close eye on these pair and document the second pair where crossed with a wild I beilve they are ss mix just forgot they are high body though also I was hoping I get some babies so i can put them in that simply contest

[trusty]

they are in tds 150 ph 6.5 ro/tap mix and are doing good about to do a nice wc with cooler water they been have dancing and cleaning the cone

[trusty]

hopefully I wont lose any.

[trusty]

I am on my cell posting i am.stuck with the wife at the mall at abercombie and fitch where I shoukd be hone doing water changes SHOOT

[vicdiscus]

Trusty, I believe your pair will be successfully spawn.. Keep us post up.

Your snakeskin pair are very nice and nothing wrong!

[trusty]

Thank you vicdiscus I appreciate the comment I will keep everybody posted hopefully I will have some fry soon.

[trusty]

So update they laid eggs today and the male did his job hopefully I will try to take pics but they are still doing their thang lol. I will post pics its just hard to capture pics of the eggs but I will I don't want to scare the pair once they are done I will take some pics.

[trusty]

I am debating in adding formalin or methyl blue?

[Rod]

Could they be dead at the egg stage?

Yes, i think so, or the gene is not monogenic.

[trusty]

They eggs are still there about 4 are white they laid eggs on sat afternoon.

[mmorris]

I will be curious to hear how the day goes. :)

[John_Nicholson]

The theory is real simple. I have been pushing it for a long time( years). I doubt I was the first person to "realize" what is going on. The snake gene is dominate...lets call it S. Lets say that the other gene is turq and is not dominate to the snake gene....lets call it t. So the basic rules of genetics state that any fish with one snake gene and one turq gene will be a snakeskin.....so St. it you breed St x St you should get 25% SS, 50% St, and 25% tt. So to keep it real simple lets say you had 100 fry. You should have 75% snake and 25% turqs. The trouble is this almost never, ever happens in the real world. What people see is that they don't raise 100 fry they raise 75 ( I think the SS die at the egg stage )...their observed ratio's are 66% Snakes and 33% turq.

-john

[buddha1200]

Nice pair,and interesting info on this thread.

[trusty]

Very I will document it John and Hopefully I can keep them alive....

[John_Nicholson]

The ones that live will be every bit as healthy as any other healthy discus. The ones with the lethal gene combination will never have a chance.

-john