2012 Simply Discus Challenge Pictures/Video, Harry Marsh Alex Piwow Red Turk Babies

[Harry Marsh]

Al is indisposed, so I'm documenting through videos here...until it can be moved to the appropriate area.

If I don't do this, I'll forget videos at some point.

Water conditions. 70 TDS
I use 'safe' to dechlorinate
Water changes vary, but 20 -75% per day (most days). I'll skip a day on rare occasion if things get too busy.

I start by feeding baby brine shrimp
I remove the babies pretty quick from the parents (14 days or so)
Another 14 days and I move to golden pearls
And then a varied diet from that point on.




Alex Piwow parents
I will start with pictures of the parents. The male is a straight line
The female is a weirdo. Past batches show the babies end up looking like the father


Male
http://s17.postimage.org/pwlghs3un/New_male.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/tg7e7l6kb/full/)
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Female.
http://s14.postimage.org/4675rec41/weird_female_Copy.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/gxlbxwlvx/full/)
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[Harry Marsh]

May 16th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gduS-sjOgjM

We will call these guys '0' day old (first day free swimming)
The aquarium is dirty. I don't do many water changes, hoping they attach

Here is my timeline.

Most people seem to go by 'free swimming' for aging (from what i can tell)
Mine lay eggs. 55 hours they will hatch. roughly 4 days of 'wiggling' on the side of the cone is followed by 48 hours wandering the tank before they attach (above)
You could easily argue these are a week old, but one day 'free swimming'

You will notice only the male in these pictures. My female eats the eggs about 40% of the time, so I often remove her. This male is an excellent parent

[Harry Marsh]

May 22nd, when I heard about the contest. (i took a video of a weather map from online with the date on the bottom)

5 days old
You can't tell much difference. They went from long, narrow little slivers to barely starting to look like fat tadpoles
I start brine shrimp on day 4 or 5 of free swimming. They don't normally eat it yet, but I have it in the tank



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4G6shEKclE

[Harry Marsh]

May 24th. 7 days old


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1UOJjlEmA

My male really hates this camera. You can see brine shrimp in the water. Also the babies are starting to flatten out a bit and look like fish

Sidenote: All of my fish become very dark when breeding

[Harry Marsh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk2mG58Z-l0May 27th = 10 days old
You can see the babies are starting to 'round' out a little bit


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQF7RehZztM


May 28th = 11 days old
Removed from male and in their own aquarium
Maybe a little early...but I had the female paired with another male that created eggs. I wanted this male as the surrogate parent

[Harry Marsh]

May 30th
13 days old
The largest one is almost the size of a dime. Not as tall, though.

They have been moved to a 20 gallon 'tall' aquarium


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvG6UxFcVFo

I do frequent, small water changes. I feed as much baby brine shrimp as I have time to put in the tank

[Harry Marsh]

June 6th, 2012 20 days old
Surprisingly slow growth, frankly. I usually feed a bit more brine shrimp. But they're all looking healthy

The smallest are the length of a dime (maybe not quite as tall). Some are larger than dimes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6WtFj-7mXk

Note. No culling, to date. There are probably 7? runts I could pick out. Usually, they'll die when I transition to golden pearls

[Harry Marsh]

June 9th, 23 days old


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aFe8dt81U0

Still eating brine shrimp, but i'm trying to transition to golden pearls
They aren't happy about it

[Harry Marsh]

June 11th, 25 days old

This is the first day I've seen any eating golden pearls. That means I'll quit brine shrimp and force all of them to eat them

I'd guess 2/3 are longer and taller than dimes, at this point. 1/3 are close to the size of a dime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCsR8ro82mk

[Harry Marsh]

Bonus video, for those curious

Here's how simple my brine shrimp setup is
(and the male with some more attached fry)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq4ic-pHvDU

[Harry Marsh]

27 days old on June 13, 2012

I made a second move, from a 20 gallon tall to a regular 55 gallon
Maintaining the 20 gallon was becoming a chore (dirty looking water shortly after cleaning)
This 55 should serve them for 2 or 3 months before I need to split them up again


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_iQ5auV7cM

[Harry Marsh]

June 17th update
So, what? 31 days old?
One month old?

The smallest one is probably the size of the penny, maybe slightly larger
The largest one is almost twice the size of the penny


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzkLXS8-qCo

[Harry Marsh]

June 22nd update
36 days old.

These poor guys were abused over the last 3 days. One feeding a day, one water change a day.
I moved to a new house and here is the start of the fish room.
So, now they're back to multiple feedings and water changes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqIGnLBEtE4

And another, 38 days old (today)
Automatic water changing setup almost completed



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOKC6ljlUko

[Cameronv]

very nice

[RECRUIT]

nice

[brewmaster15]

Harry,
I've set up the contest board...do you want me to move this thread there?

-al

[Harry Marsh]

Sure Al
Sounds good.

[Harry Marsh]

40 days old, today?

More progress on fish room
100% well water, no chlorine
58 TDS

Lots of water changes (automatic system putting water in, draining excess)
When I start to trust the system, I anticipate 100% water changes per day with no work

Anyway, some of these guys might already be three inches with tail



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq3CNavAObQ

Ps. Yes, the wife was adding unknown commentary to this video
Pps. That is a penny taped to the back of the tank

[Freshisbetter]

Things are progressing very well. Great job documenting everything for us in such detail. I live in Charlotte and would be interested in purchasing some of the juvies after the Holiday week. Enjoy the heat wave.

[ockyra215]

How many Juvies did you have there Harry?

[Harry Marsh]

Things are progressing very well. Great job documenting everything for us in such detail. I live in Charlotte and would be interested in purchasing some of the juvies after the Holiday week. Enjoy the heat wave.

Nasty heat wave. We're hiding for the weekend...and let the a/c do battle with the weather.

I've got maybe 40? juvies. I'll try to count. Maybe 50
There are also 8 or so juvies from a different pair in that tank (hence the really small guys)
Same female from a month later, but a different male.


I've got someone picking up a few this weekend that has been begging for them for a while.
I don't know if I'll sell any more. I'm concerned. I've only had one spawning in the new house with the new water (a day after we moved in). I'm hoping all gets back on track, soon.

[Eddie]

Nice looking youngins!

[Freshisbetter]

Totally understand! That's the beauty of breeding your own fish, you can decide what to do with them. If you change your mind please let me know. Hope you figure out the water or transition challenges with your fish. Wish the best.

[Cameronv]

Look at all those fish harry! You wouldn't miss one little jumbo male in your community tank? Would ya? :)

[nc0gnet0]

I am confused, aren't you suppposed to be down to 30 at dime sized? Our did I read that wrong?

Rick

[Harry Marsh]

I am confused, aren't you suppposed to be down to 30 at dime sized? Our did I read that wrong?

Rick

Potentially true. And do I remember narrowing it down further, when they get bigger? At what age and how many?
We should clarify. 10 or 12 of mine in the videos are from a later spawn: they will be smaller and not in this competition - just keeping them in there out of simplicity

I see your point though, someone with 60 could be at an advantage over someone with 30
....not sure I'd care though...kudos to you if you have the space to grow out that many

[Skip]

yea. understood to be at most 30 to start with when dime size..

[Harry Marsh]

Warlock alerted me that these are not 3" fish.
I guess you're overly optimistic when you dont pull out a ruler. Upon measuring, the largest are a shade over 2"
He was definitely right.

Regardless, I'm now down to 30 in this tank. I have tried to count a few times: pretty sure I'm at 30, exactly. I put the smaller fish from a later spawn in their own aquarium (and culled a few obvious fish with defects)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01SAZVV7u6M

The fish room is getting nicer and nicer. And I've got my first spawn from my reliable female.
She didn't like the usual male and choose a different one for this spawn

Ruler, July 2nd. 44 days old, I believe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7nVn6XaWk
(also some of my older youngins at the end of the video)

[Skip]

yo.. those adults are PIMP!

[Harry Marsh]

yo.. those adults are PIMP!
Thanks :) They look nicer in better light. But, I don't have time for show tanks any longer


I'm going to make an effort to make better videos. Here is the first (longer, with less jerky movements)
I've noticed the previous videos were annoying to watch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u09hmLV3lhY
PS. Looks like I'll have some Albino Leopards via Mike Beals, soon. Today, those laid eggs (you can see the male fighting off the piwowarski Cobalt)
I wasn't really looking for these....but the coloration has grown on me
I suppose I'll have to make a tank for them....

[Craigmax]

Nicel +1

[Harry Marsh]

July 7, 49 days old
More progress on the fish room, too.

Unfortunately, the albino leopards ate the eggs almost immediately. The red turks ate them on day two. I moved the albino's beside the red turk pair, hoping they will learn something on the next go
Instead, I've had the two pair battling at the glass divider for the last week. Very little breeding activity.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bNdz4bhyKc

[Harry Marsh]

A few pictures

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8518/piwoadults.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/piwoadults.jpg/)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9392/juvi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/juvi1.jpg/)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3672/juvi2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/502/juvi2.jpg/)

[plecocicho]

Nice discus. I have to ask, those naturally looking blues in your long video are wild discus?

[Harry Marsh]

Nope, no wild discus here. :)
The Cobalt (blue) and Red Turquoise are all Alex Piwowarski fish from Germany

[Harry Marsh]

More eggs!
These from my favorite colored male (straight lines)
I put the female in the community tank: she has been eating the good eggs of late and leaving the fungus'd eggs
This male usually does pretty good (leaves all eggs)

Also some closeups of the juvies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MampTfiBS9U

[yusufm52]

nice juvies.. and also congrats on becoming a new dad. :)

[plecocicho]

Harry i meant those red discvus with blue markings.

[dbfzurowski]

very nice! Whats that noise? air pump?

[Harry Marsh]

Harry i meant those red discvus with blue markings.
Those are german discus. Much speculation to believe they're bred with wild discus to bring out those bright colors


very nice! Whats that noise? air pump?
Annoying automatic focus on my phone. I should try to disable those in the future...
Apologies that you may want to kill me after watching a few of those :)

[Harry Marsh]

Update video
54 days old. Almost 8 weeks

I took this using a camera, so the quality should be much better.
2.5 inches or so? (including tail)

When should we be narrowing down to 8?
I definitely have some short gill plates. But I think I can find 8 nice ones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMA5ArBK0vM&feature=youtu.be

[Harry Marsh]

57 days old, taken on 7/17
I need to spend a lot more time trying to get better quality pictures. I'll try again later today

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/9392/juvi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/816/juvi1.jpg/)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3672/juvi2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/juvi2.jpg/)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5508/juvies3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/juvies3.jpg/)

[Harry Marsh]

Video of today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGJQSc6mAw&feature=youtu.be

I believe we're at 61 days old
New attempts at pictures:

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/974/72112g.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/72112g.jpg/)

Anyone have comments regarding the fish on bottom right?
Eats and is healthy, but has the red blood looking face.

[JenTN]

Nice!! As for the red, I have a juvy that looked similar after a run in with the tank glass.

[Harry Marsh]

Thanks Jen
That's what I suspected, but wanted confirmation

They fight hard for food: despite me feeding them 10+ times a day (I drop food in every time I walk by)
I imagine the ruddy faces are from fights, run-ins with glass, etc

Another video from yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npuc-oGajPU

All looking well except for one smaller, black little guy
I haven't culled him yet because he has decent shape (just small, dark in color)
Plenty of others could probably be culled (beaks, football shape, short gill plates, etc)
There are 10 solid fish with no complaints, another 10 that might turn into nice fish.
10 will probably be given to a neighbor

I've got the tank space...so I'm not culling much. I'd prefer to grow them out and cull at a later period

[yusufm52]

nice to see the progress, the small and dark one, is it the one in the corner of the tank in the video

[Harry Marsh]

Here is a pic that shows the culls, in the top left.
I flushed two of them today. One was a runt for sure. The other had some swimming problem. The third, I put in another tank with some other undesirables that will get a last chance at life. I've had a few end up as nice fish: just undersized compared to the rest and a little slow to develop. The third will have another month to get some nice shape.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6065/culls.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/culls.jpg/)

So, there are 27 left. I probably need to go down to the '8' this week. Have the rules been posted, yet?

[Harry Marsh]

A few update pictures. I'm starting to see that the pictures are nicer than the videos.
It will be easier to do a comparison in the future with logged pictures every week, rather than videos.
69 days old, here


http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/7418/juvie1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/juvie1.jpg/)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1969/juvie2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/juvie2.jpg/)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/738/juvie3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/juvie3.jpg/)

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/921/juvie4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/juvie4.jpg/)


You will notice some planaria on the glass. I had visitors this weekend and only cleaned the aquarium once in three days = breakout
Annoying.
I think I feed far too much on the weekends (every time I walk by the aquarium). The little beggars are just so cute, though....

[Second Hand Pat]

Harry, the rules have not been posted yet to my knowledge. I am going to do the down select to 8 also. I would have this weekend but found I needed some extra airline for hooking up another sponge filter.

Your guys are starting to develop some color.

[Harry Marsh]

Culled two, today....after much consideration.

I found two smaller guys that had eyes that were abnormally large. I wouldn't call them runts, but they were lagging behind the others. They were also a bit darker and not as lively.
I have a few smaller that I will keep because they're still nicely proportioned....but these seemed a bit below the normal quality


I also started to reduce down to 8. I now have 15 in the tank (moved 10 or so to another tank)
The gill plate 'problem' seems to be less significant at this time. I had trouble removing the 10 or so...and basically just took out the smaller fish

I measured one of the larger fish (netted and measured), it was just a tad over 2.5"
So, 2.5" at day 71 is my growth rate

[pastry]

Harry, thanks again for the little guys!!! They started eating within 15 minutes of getting into their new home! I'm hoping those little guys end up growing to even just half of the size that your RT's are. All of them were pretty damn big! I was even surprised how big the female is! You and your wife were so nice to let me drop in on the weekend to retrieve them. Thank you sooooo much and can't wait to grow them out! -Pastry

p.s.-Good luck in the contest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Harry Marsh]

Nice to meet you, Pastry. It's a shame you aren't closer. Keep me updated on the progress!

I'm down to 8.
Pictures later today


http://youtu.be/cyaTO6H6mw0

[Harry Marsh]

Pictures, because I think they're easiest to see progression through:
75? days old here


http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7418/juvie1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/juvie1.jpg/)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1969/juvie2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/juvie2.jpg/)


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/738/juvie3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/juvie3.jpg/)

[nc0gnet0]

Is the last picture the one of the culls? What is the TDS of your water? Just curious.


Rick

[shoveltrash]

hi Harry! I haven't kept up with the competition threads......only just spent the time to check out your 4 pages :) LOL. your babies look very nice! very well documented too.
and hey, just realized you're not far from me - practically neighbors. I used to work in Charlotte, at CMC Main.

[Harry Marsh]

Is the last picture the one of the culls? What is the TDS of your water? Just curious.

Rick
A bit low: 70
I do add a bit of calcium from time to time, though.
I currently have eggs and would like to try a 'batch b' with higher TDS
Not a cull: just one of them being shy for a third picture



hi Harry! I haven't kept up with the competition threads......only just spent the time to check out your 4 pages :) LOL. your babies look very nice! very well documented too.
and hey, just realized you're not far from me - practically neighbors. I used to work in Charlotte, at CMC Main.

Howdy howdy
I actually work closer to monroe :)




I moved these guys to a new 75 gallon, today. Their old tank is in for a full clean.
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/7418/juvie1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/juvie1.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1969/juvie2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/juvie2.jpg/)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/738/juvie3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/526/juvie3.jpg/)

[Harry Marsh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufwrmD8n53c&feature=youtu.be
Video from yesterday

I'll try to get pictures, today.


I notice a few significant negatives to putting them in their own tank. They're not nearly as active eaters. More apt to get scared, etc.
I think the others are looking better and better - growing faster

[Second Hand Pat]

Harry, I have noticed the same with separating my eight fish.

[Harry Marsh]

Harry, I have noticed the same with separating my eight fish.

I don't like it at all
Quite a few of the 'others' are looking better than these, now
Growing faster: still attacking food and very friendly.

[Second Hand Pat]

Yup, it is quite the learning experience.

[Harry Marsh]

Yup, it is quite the learning experience.

True true. I guess it is realistic, though. Most people won't buy more than 8 fish
However, it's another vote of confidence for trusting a sponor who raises a lot of these fish: they feel more comfortable in numbers
I'm kinda thinking about putting them in a tank with a divider. Might make them more comfortable

[Harry Marsh]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/793/aug18.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/aug18.jpg/)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3876/aug188.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/aug188.jpg/)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6219/aug1888.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/aug1888.jpg/)

[Harry Marsh]

I put the fish in a split 75 gallon aquarium.
I continued to be unhappy with these 8 in a 55 gallon tank. One or two of them was always turning dark in color and looking unhealthy
The other 30 or so in the other tank are looking much better (never dark, very aggressive for food)

So, I put these 8 beside some outcasts from long ago (my first batch of fry, that may or may not be stunted)
I had tried to raise this batch on artificial food before giving up and buying brine shrimp eggs (middle picture)
I'm hoping with the 8 seeing others...they can settle in and feel more comfortable

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8910/aug22i.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/aug22i.jpg/)



http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2787/aug2222.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/aug2222.jpg/)

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[Harry Marsh]

(just deleted dpete9's post)
I had a different picture mixed in there of older fry. I just deleted it (you can see them on the right side of the tank). No reason to confuse everyone.
Yes: the older fry show much more color. They'll look like that in about 3 months :)

[Harry Marsh]

They're growing

But....I SUCK at taking pictures.
I need lessons form Discus Noob

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1710/august29.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/august29.jpg/)

I'll try again tomorrow

[joshvito]

I don't like it at all
Quite a few of the 'others' are looking better than these, now
Growing faster: still attacking food and very friendly.

I just separated my 8 out yesterday, and I was worried about this too. I would of liked to keep them together for another month before separating the 8.

[Harry Marsh]

I just separated my 8 out yesterday, and I was worried about this too. I would of liked to keep them together for another month before separating the 8.

Yup, we should have pushed this '8' separation date to 4" or so
But, I guess that isn't the purpose of the competition.

Mine are starting to look better. As they get bigger, they're getting more brave and healthy
That was just ab it young to separate, IMO

[Skip]

Harry.. What size tank u got them in?

[Harry Marsh]

Harry.. What size tank u got them in?

I first had them in a 55

Now, I've put them in a split 75 with some others on the other side. That seems to have helped
I'll move back to the 55 when they get larger

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8291/biggerq.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/biggerq.jpg/)
I believe these guys are 100 days old. I would have to do some calculations

[pastry]

harry, those little guys are looking good. meanwhile, i got 5 of the ones from the batch that was hatched after your contest batch. by any chance do you remember "round about" when they were born? i've been meaning to ask you.

as for as how they're doing, they're eating like pigs! unfortunately i have them addicted to blood worms and beefheart but i'm trying to get them on flakes. the 2 culls i took off your hands are trying their best to catch up with the others. they're the first ones to my hand when i start feeding so they have hope. who knows, maybe one will turn into a swan. i can't wait until all of them start to color up. i kind of enjoy how it's MUCH slower than most breeds. for lack of better words (and I'm sure I'll catch hell or wierd looks from this... but it's just an analogy) it's like "foreplay"! alright, well good luck with your 8 and hope they turn out as good as the breeders you have.-- Elliot

[Eddie]

They are getting huge! Great work!

[Harry Marsh]

From one of the smaller guys

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2833/rturk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/rturk2.jpg/)

to one of the bigger guys (starting to look less like footballs)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1512/rturk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/rturk3.jpg/)

And all of them are getting color on their fins/forehead

[Eddie]

The big ones look super TALL high body. Great eye to body ratio! Even at such a young age!

[Harry Marsh]

Two of the 'in between' guys.
I need to pull one out and measure. I'll have to harass the wife to snap the picture when I do so

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7047/sept5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/sept5.jpg/)

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/179/sept55.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/sept55.jpg/)


Elliott: I'm glad yours are doing well. They were born about two weeks after these guys (different male, same female)
I haven't had young since then. I think I tried to do too much with that female and she went on strike


Eddie: Thanks. Every time I see your Avatar, I wish I had that fish!

[Harry Marsh]

I sold all but these 8 from this batch
I had been selling slowly, but think I might have another batch in the works...so I liquidated a bit

Quick video. They're usually more friendly, but I had just cleaned their tank with the power siphon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hek55F-zzsg&feature=youtu.be

[Harry Marsh]

Better video, when they were hungry and friendly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP9TC7YFYXM&feature=youtu.be

[Harry Marsh]

3 guys of average size
The 'beaky' is getting better
Still slow to get color

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3333/juviesept12.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/juviesept12.jpg/)

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9219/juviesept122.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/juviesept122.jpg/)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7505/juviesept1222.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/juviesept1222.jpg/)

[heckel90]

I really like their shape! they are growing really well as well. I notice that one discus has its right eye opaque...
the breeders are beautiful!

Martin

[Harry Marsh]

I really like their shape! they are growing really well as well. I notice that one discus has its right eye opaque...
the breeders are beautiful!

Martin

I noticed that too. A few water changes later, it cleared up.
Today (after a 4 day vacation where my father was watching them)

The new babies are eating BBS, too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLmST3fxUs&feature=youtu.be

Will upload some pictures soon. They are threatening to get some color.

http://imageshack.us/a/img809/8049/sept166.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/sept166.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img62/3074/sept16s.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/sept16s.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/1421/sept1666.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/sept1666.jpg/)

[DLFL]

Those are some nice looking fish. Looking forward to seeing them grown out.

Dick L.

[jacjoe]

Good Job Harry. Glad to see that you have a new batch of fry after the recent failed attepts. Keep up the good work.

Joe

[MKD]

look at those big round belly :) they look great

Great job Harry

[oldfar]

Go Harry GO.

[Harry Marsh]

Good Job Harry. Glad to see that you have a new batch of fry after the recent failed attepts. Keep up the good work.

Joe

I think I posted that video too soon! About half of them died over the night: no idea why
I'm down to about 30 of those little babies. We'll see.

The '8' are looking healthy, though

Thanks everyone



Go Harry GO.
PS: I grew up in Middletown/Franklin

[shoveltrash]

I think I posted that video too soon! About half of them died over the night: no idea whyoh no!
:(
so sorry to hear this............

[Skip]

Ouch.. Bummet

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry Harry.

[Lt shinysides]

That's a shame!!

[nwehrman]

Sorry to hear about the fry. Glad the 8 are well though


Nicole

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Poco]

Sorry Harry

[Harry Marsh]

About 30-40 fry lived, which I can live with


I've been doing some testing to try and figure out what happened: I think it's the brine shrimp
I tested my water when I woke, this morning: very high ammonia. No ammonia last night.
No other tanks with high ammonia (including the juvie tanks, with far more fish)

Before sleep, I give the fry 3 decent sized portions of brine shrimp (thinking that will tide them over until morning)
I think the mass die-off of brine shrimp got me. I've been having this problem for a long time and unable to figure it out
in 8/10 batches, Day 10 and half the fry die overnight.

Next batch (if ever), I will adjust and not do that regime. Feed less brine shrimp or do a water change after feeding

Regardless, i'm happy with another 30 or so fish if they make it :)
And relatively happy that I have a suspect in why the fry die

[Harry Marsh]

Just ran a date calculator: these guys are 126 days old? I had lost track
Pictures later

[pastry]

Harry, approx how many inches are they now?

[Harry Marsh]

I would guess 3 to almost 4", from smallest to largest (with tail)

I will try to do the tape measure picture, soon


How are yours looking?

[pastry]

my 3 bigger ones are about 3" (well, from the naked eye) and little guys are probably 2.25-2.5". they're eating like crazy and don't think twice to nudge the three bigger ones i got from kenny (thru eric) out of the way! hungry buggers. they're also nice and thick if that makes any sense at all. that's one thing i noticed about your discus (big or small) that they were built like brick-chit houses! not that everyone elses' are thin but yours seem to be a little more solid than the typical discus which i'm liking. okay, well i get some pics of them for you soon and put them on the thread for my tank! thanks harry!

[Harry Marsh]

my 3 bigger ones are about 3" (well, from the naked eye) and little guys are probably 2.25-2.5". they're eating like crazy and don't think twice to nudge the three bigger ones i got from kenny (thru eric) out of the way! hungry buggers. they're also nice and thick if that makes any sense at all. that's one thing i noticed about your discus (big or small) that they were built like brick-chit houses! not that everyone elses' are thin but yours seem to be a little more solid than the typical discus which i'm liking. okay, well i get some pics of them for you soon and put them on the thread for my tank! thanks harry!

Yea, I think the german fish are usually a bit thicker than the asians. TNT77 noticed the same thing here http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?99208-Piwowarski-Oct-Nov-shipment.

I will try to get you some size pictures (beside a ruler) tomorrow


I tried to make this video extra shaky, just like Drew likes it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oqTM1-fCos
That male with the babies REALLY does not like cameras. It's the only thing he wants to attack

[Harry Marsh]

A few pictures from today. I will try to get the wife to do the ruler picture, later.
I would like a bit more color development and more size is always better, but I think I'm pleased with these 8.
One was a bit more beaky than the rest, but that is starting to be less and less pronounced.

http://imageshack.us/a/img707/4885/sept231.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/sept231.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/420/sept232.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/sept232.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img411/1294/sept233.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/411/sept233.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img338/8320/sept234.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/338/sept234.jpg/)

[rdiscus]

They look great Harry

[shoveltrash]

looking very good!

[Harry Marsh]

Here is the big guy. Looked more like 4" in the tank
But appears to be a shade under 3.5" beside the ruler

So, mine are between 3" and 3.5" at 130 days old

http://imageshack.us/a/img3/7347/rulern.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/rulern.jpg/)

[Poco]

Very nice! They are growing really well. Piwos are on my shortlist :D

[Skip]

Here is the big guy. Looked more like 4" in the tank
But appears to be a shade under 3.5" beside the ruler

So, mine are between 3" and 3.5" at 130 days old

i don't even bother guessing.. LOL>. i let the ruler do that talking.. :)

[Harry Marsh]

i don't even bother guessing.. LOL>. i let the ruler do that talking.. :)

You must be a ...bigger.....man than I

No rulers in the bedroom. Strictly forbidden!

[Kingdom Come Discus]

They are looking great Harry. Can already see the Piwowarski shape. Great Job!!!!

[Len]

Harry, you're doing a great job with them. I grew out a group of piwos from quarter size and they didn't grow nearly as quickly as yours and didn't have the colour development either. You should be very pleased with yourself.

[Harry Marsh]

Thanks for the comments

Here is a video of how I do things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnvg-n4qW58&feature=youtu.be

[nc0gnet0]

Harry,

Those wouldn't happen to be tank stands from Fosters and Smith would they?

Rick

[Harry Marsh]

Harry,

Those wouldn't happen to be tank stands from Fosters and Smith would they?

Rick

Yup. cheap!

[nc0gnet0]

Yup, not only cheap but easy to assemble and pretty sturdy as well, I have 5 of them.

Rick

[Harry Marsh]

Yup, not only cheap but easy to assemble and pretty sturdy as well, I have 5 of them.

Rick
You had me scared. I thought you were about to link me to a site explaining that the stands explode or break over time. Good to hear.


Pictures from last night.
My final pictures will be entertaining: showing not only the progression of the fish, but my progression with camera skills.
I have learned to drop pellets of food in the front to keep them still and presentable for the camera (as opposed to my normal food of blackworms)

http://imageshack.us/a/img35/5503/oct1h.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/oct1h.jpg/)
Surprisingly high body on this one: the largest so far

http://imageshack.us/a/img841/7449/oct11.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/oct11.jpg/)
Big one in back, some more colorful ones in the front

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/493/oct111u.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/oct111u.jpg/)
One or two might still be a bit 'beaky' as Incognito once pointed out. It's getting better with age, but still there

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/923/octo1k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/octo1k.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img141/7058/octo11.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/141/octo11.jpg/)

These are starting to get exciting. It will be neat to see the extra color in a month or so.

[DLFL]

Looking good Harry!

[sam86]

These guys looked great in person!!

[Harry Marsh]

I am optimistic that the spots are growing into straight lines

http://imageshack.us/a/img843/8480/oct7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/oct7.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/7784/oct77.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/oct77.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img209/5199/oct777.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/209/oct777.jpg/)

[Second Hand Pat]

These are getting nice Harry. One looks like it could be a nice straight line RT.

[Harry Marsh]

Three new photos, completely random (the first fish that faced the camera)
I've got a bit of everything. One or two show no color. One or two are completely spotted. And the others are somewhere in between

Day 143, I believe

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/8578/oct14.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/oct14.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7505/oct144.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/oct144.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img221/7436/oct1444.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/oct1444.jpg/)

[Harry Marsh]

A few quarter pictures, day 144.
I'll try to pull for a ruler picture, soon

http://imageshack.us/a/img441/9444/oct15.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/oct15.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/1983/oct1555pg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/oct1555pg.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img560/5206/oct15555.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/oct15555.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img10/6140/oct155555.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/oct155555.jpg/)

[Second Hand Pat]

Showoff :D

[Harry Marsh]

hah :)

Yea, I'm happy with progress.
Small eyes, rounding out a bit...less beaky
The chin is still a bit pronounced, but getting better

[Second Hand Pat]

Like humans, awkward as kids but look what they turn into.

[mtnstream]

These guys looked great in person!!

Agree, I saw them this past Saturday.

[Harry Marsh]

Agree, I saw them this past Saturday.

Welcome to Simply Discus, Dan.

[Harry Marsh]

I hadn't posted a video in a while. I took this first thing in the morning before work.
The fish are still 'asleep'. I'm pleased that the contest fish are nicely brown/red in color. They look healthy.
You can also see 'attached' fry on the asian red turk straight-line pair, if you look closely. Day #1 for them (which is why tank is dirty, as I try to leave them alone during attachment)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPgS1OKG6o4

[pastry]

Sorry Harry, but that's hilarious what videos come up after done watching this video... "Asian Babies"

[Poco]

Harry, your contest babies look great.

I got dizzy watching the video :D please pan the camera a bit slowly next time. thanks

[Harry Marsh]

Harry, your contest babies look great.

I got dizzy watching the video :D please pan the camera a bit slowly next time. thanks

I've heard that complaint a few times :)
Sorry, I never remember

[mtnstream]

I've heard that complaint a few times :)
Sorry, I never remember

;) Getting better Harry!

[xKevinx]

wow they are getting big. jumbo potential

[shoveltrash]

You can also see 'attached' fry on the asian red turk straight-line pairnice! congrats.

your contest fish look fantastic!

[Harry Marsh]

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/7507/oct22.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/oct22.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/338/oc222.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/oc222.jpg/)

[DLFL]

Those are so pretty. Great job!

Dick

[Kingdom Come Discus]

They look great Harry!!!

[Trier20]

Looking good Harry!

[shoveltrash]

so Harry, when I can talk you in to coming here & setting up an automated WC system, I'll fill another tank with your RT babies :D :D :D
my gosh they really do look nice............

[sam86]

These guys are looking awesome!

[pastry]

Alright Harry, got updates on mine! (http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?98299-Growing-out-in-planted-tank/page6) Still jealous of your contest fish... they have even "burlier" chests and that mahogany base is AWESOME. You might have trouble hanging on to them once the contest is done! I know where you live! kidding kidding... okay, that was creepy. But seriously, can't wait to see the turn out.

[Harry Marsh]

Take a look at that timeline, pastry: You can see yours starting to look like those at a certain date.
These guys are slow to develop. I'll post a picture in a minute with some stunted fish I kept from a year ago. They're exploding in color (finally). Video coming soon, so you can see those.
I wish I had kept more from this batch....but they're hard to hold onto. It's crazy: i have as much demand for the stunted ones as anything (they stay smaller)

I had moved the contest fish to that 55, but they weren't being perky

I moved them back to the 35 cube, where they seem happy again. They'll get a larger aquarium eventually. It should probably be sooner than later: they're hard to keep clean in this smaller one

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3885/oct27.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/oct27.jpg/)

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8786/oct277.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/oct277.jpg/)

Crappy cell phone pictures above.
I busted out the old digital camera for these:

You can see one of my colorful, older runts in the tank beside. It's one of the few fish I kept from a batch 13 months old, at this age. I wish I would have kept more
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9226/runty.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/runty.jpg/)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9173/turky.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/turky.jpg/)

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/996/turky2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/211/turky2.jpg/)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1230/turky3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/turky3.jpg/)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6866/turky4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/turky4.jpg/)

[Harry Marsh]

Video
(and notes)
8 red turks back in their 35 or so gallon
Stunted to the left of them (i kept a few rather than culling, to see their future color: a few of those are just over a year old)

One tank with two piwow red turks in it
Another tank with one female piwow, one male forrest straight line (piwow is beating up on the asian fish)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLLS6zHlyEE

[oldfar]

Hey Harry video isn't working and I want to see great looking discus there.

[Harry Marsh]

Try refreshing: just worked for me (although it wouldn't surprise me if I'm doing something wrong)

I'm from Middletown. Moved to Charlotte 2 years ago.
I bought my first discus in South Lebanon area, probably 15 years ago

My parents still live near Middletown/Franklin: I make it up there on occasion

[Second Hand Pat]

Harry, your video is private.

[oldfar]

Its says video is private.refresh didn't work.Well when you visit again bring me some of those red turks.

[Harry Marsh]

Just fixed.

Thanks for the note: Damned phone.
I figured I was doing something wrong.....I think I just changed it

[oldfar]

Works now Harry . Beautiful fish man.Great contest fish.Good luck.

[pastry]

Harry! Duuuude!!! Looking great! Hey, tell the one in the front for the first 30 seconds that I need to see some I.D. because he shouldn't be sporting those type of near stripes right now!

Meanwhile, if I can get my culls to look like the ones you so graciously accepted back from someone (again, I wouldn't have done it but you're definitely a better person than me) then I'm sure they'll keep my son's eyes glued to the future little aquarium in his room. Perrrrfect.

So it looks like you've got several blue diamonds? That your next experiment?

[Harry Marsh]

Got one REALLY looking like straight lines

The spotted ones could look neat, too

November 3rd pictures

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3544/nov3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/nov3.jpg/)

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7499/nov33.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/nov33.jpg/)

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6805/nov3333.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/547/nov3333.jpg/)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6020/nov333.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/99/nov333.jpg/)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8854/nov33333nd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/nov33333nd.jpg/)

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9879/nov333333.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/nov333333.jpg/)

[pastry]

Good grief, Harry. I thought you said they were slow to get color? I have a feeling you'll be holding on to that one in the last picture (need I say which one?). Out-freak'n-standing. As a whole group... SOLID. They already have a nice base color developing throughout the entire body... I'm jealous. I'll probably do an update on mine next weekend.

[Harry Marsh]

One group picture, one worst picture, and one best picture.
I swear I'll buy a DSLR for black friday and my pictures will improve

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6915/grouptx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/grouptx.jpg/)

The following is the fish Rick (incognito) gave me hell about choosing for being 'beaky'. That decreased some, but not a lot. Bad fish.
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4281/worst.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/worst.jpg/)

Best color so far. And pretty good shape
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4668/bestme.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/bestme.jpg/)

[pastry]

'Bout time you gave an update. It's been like forever... what, 6, 7 days? Ha! ... thanks for the update Harry!

[nc0gnet0]

The following is the fish Rick (incognito) gave me hell about choosing for being 'beaky'.

LOL, I do think you might have embellished this a bit ;)

My guess is the spotted's patterns will come in a bit more and fill in. Looking good!

Rick

[texasdiscusman]

You have done a good job with these fish Harry

[DLFL]

Harry,
I tried to help your group photo. How is this?

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z97/DLFL/grouptx_zpsdbd9edf8.jpg

[Harry Marsh]

Harry,
I tried to help your group photo. How is this?

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z97/DLFL/grouptx_zpsdbd9edf8.jpg

Much better! I'll be talking to you before I submit the final photos :)


Video from today, with some new members (and tanks) in the fishroom
Larger fishroom is already in the making

I tried not to make this the shaky cam, for a change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5libJwM2jg

[shoveltrash]

[QUOTE][/Larger fishroom is already in the makingQUOTE]
Seriously???? <green with envy> :)
Much better vid - you've got some outstanding youngsters!

[plecocicho]

Nice pups. I absolutelly adore your german red discus.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Great job on the video!! You sure have some very nice fish Harry!!!

[xKevinx]

yup nice fish room. i see a few i would like to have thats forsure

[Harry Marsh]

These guys are getting bigger!

And the red is getting brighter
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/197/nov171.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/nov171.jpg/)

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/6929/nov172.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/nov172.jpg/)


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9095/nov173.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/nov173.jpg/)


http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9458/nov174.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/nov174.jpg/)


http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7417/nov175.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/nov175.jpg/)


http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8026/nov176.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/nov176.jpg/)

[jacjoe]

Looking good Harry. They are coming along nicely.;)

Joe

[pastry]

Harry, that group is just full of studs. I don't want your head to get bigger than it already is but... great job brother

[Harry Marsh]

A quick tape measure showed 4.5" on the one I grabbed, which was one of the larger ones (most are pretty close)

I used to want all straight-line fish
But, I don't mind spotted turks either: as long as they have the red base
I have a few runts that are very pretty spotted turks. a 6" one would be very neat

Thanks for the comments: It's a lot of work
As they grow larger, it's a lot more maintenance. These daggone things can poop a surprising amount

I spend an hour a day wiping down tanks

[DLFL]

Harry they are some nice fish!

[Kal-El]

A quick tape measure showed 4.5" on the one I grabbed, which was one of the larger ones (most are pretty close)

I used to want all straight-line fish
But, I don't mind spotted turks either: as long as they have the red base
I have a few runts that are very pretty spotted turks. a 6" one would be very neat

Thanks for the comments: It's a lot of work
As they grow larger, it's a lot more maintenance. These daggone things can poop a surprising amount

I spend an hour a day wiping down tanks

One day I will purchase my first Piwow Straight line turq and have what you enjoy now ;)... BTW with raising these juvi did you that find two daily WC really makes a difference in their growth? right now I'm raising my juvie with 50% in the morning and 100% at night and really notice that my current batch is growing even faster than my last with just 50% daily.

[pastry]

Thanks for the comments: It's a lot of work
As they grow larger, it's a lot more maintenance. These daggone things can poop a surprising amount
I spend an hour a day wiping down tanks

I seriously just said the same thing about my son this past weekend...

[dadecountyalan]

they look great!

[Harry Marsh]

The red base is getting brighter and brighter. They are somewhere around 185 days old, at this point.

A few not showing much, yet. I hope it to start coming in on all of the fish within a month
They're definitely slower to develop than the asians. The biggest fish here is near 4.5" (and the color of a 2" asian)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyp_r3RYOAA&feature=youtu.be

[Kal-El]

Tank is dirty is that just from feeding or from doing every other day WC? They are growing very well...

[Harry Marsh]

Numerous water changes every day.

But, it's the weekend: I overfeed heavily.
And that annoying light gives everything a green glow. It will be replaced with an LED tomorrow

[Trier20]

Looking good!

[Jeff O]

Beautiful fish!

[dadecountyalan]

great job with these fish harry. you have them grwoing really well. they look a lot like the mother. the male has a lot more straight lines

[Harry Marsh]

great job with these fish harry. you have them grwoing really well. they look a lot like the mother. the male has a lot more straight lines

Yup, past experience shows I get about 25% of everything
25% female
25% male
50% mix (somewhere in between) = some spotted, some partially straight line

[nc0gnet0]

Yup, past experience shows I get about 25% of everything
25% female
25% male
50% mix (somewhere in between)

Wow, 50% hermaphrodites? Thats crazy! lol
rick

[Iceman13579]

They look great Harry. Are those from the same hatch as the ones I got from you?

[Harry Marsh]

They look great Harry. Are those from the same hatch as the ones I got from you?

If not from the same batch, they're within a few weeks

I had two batches at about the same time (two weeks apart)
Haven't had a good batch since!

[Harry Marsh]

Quickie. Will try to get others later (with the better camera)
more and more color!

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8704/dec8.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/dec8.jpg/)

[Len]

Looking really good Harry

[Harry Marsh]

A few more pictures and a video

Thanks len


http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8000/dec91.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/dec91.jpg/)

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4264/dec9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/dec9.jpg/)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8561/dec92.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/dec92.jpg/)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9418/dec93.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/dec93.jpg/)


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5135/dec94.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/dec94.jpg/)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9950/dec95.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/141/dec95.jpg/)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3705/dec96.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/dec96.jpg/)


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2780/dec97.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/dec97.jpg/)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3664/dec98.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/233/dec98.jpg/)

[Harry Marsh]

Video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSMBq0Oov-0&feature=youtu.be

[nc0gnet0]

3rd picture from the top, one of your final two......

btw where did you get those thermometers?

:)

Rick

[nc0gnet0]

3rd picture from the top, one of your final two......

Odd, make that the fourth picture from the top, must be one of the pictures didn't load when I made that comment.

Rick

[brewmaster15]

Harry,
The group looks like they are growing great..thats one super stocky set of genetics those fish have.:) Looking forward to seeing how these guys look in another few months.

-al

[pastry]

Harry... loooove how your 8 are turning out. I'm taking pictures tonight off my gang and will have pics of the ones I got off you sometime this weekend. They're "dots" are starting to connect. Quickly beginning to be the ones I watch constantly as their stripes start to appear. Kenny & Forrests VR's are still growing fast as sh.... but yours are catching up!!! remember, they were younger than the VR's when I purchased both and the VR's are just genetically built to freak'n grow but your little dudes aren't dragging in growth and I'm very freak'n happy with them

[Harry Marsh]

The body is slowing turning more and more red, on the larger fish

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8504/dec16i.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/dec16i.jpg/)

[DLFL]

Beautiful, Harry.

[Harry Marsh]

December 23 Video

The prettiest fish from two months ago is now the dark'ish runt. Irony.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsVCFYPf8r8&feature=youtu.be

[Harry Marsh]

More and more red! It has taken 6 months of brown, ugly fish...but they're finally turning red in month 7

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7242/dec231.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/dec231.jpg/)


http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9518/dec232.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/dec232.jpg/)


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6149/dec233.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/dec233.jpg/)


http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8149/dec234.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/dec234.jpg/)


http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3945/dec235.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/dec235.jpg/)



http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4325/dec236.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/dec236.jpg/)



http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2738/dec237.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/dec237.jpg/)

[shoveltrash]

wow Harry! looking super :)
(and btw I still have those worms......can deliver! LOL)

[DLFL]

Really looking good!

[Len]

Really looking nice Harry. I'm envious, mine took the better part of a year before they showed any real colour. In fact for the longest time one of them looked like a wild brown fish.

[timvriens]

amazing fish:o

[Larry Grenier]

Very nice Harry! Love the lots-o-red.

[Harry Marsh]

wow Harry! looking super :)
(and btw I still have those worms......can deliver! LOL)

6210 Mintbrook Drive
Mint Hill, NC 28227 :)



More pictures. As long as they keep growing and the red spreads: these are looking fine. A few have short gill plates (pictured). There is a pretty good assortment of fish here

Big boy below
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/835/jan2biggie.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/jan2biggie.jpg/)

Nice fish, bad gill plate (piwowarski are notorious for bad gill plates). A little too high body for me, as well
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8085/jan2gillplate.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/jan2gillplate.jpg/)


Group pictures
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1932/jan2group.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/jan2group.jpg/)

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3917/jan2group1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/jan2group1.jpg/)


The opposite of the striped body turks: this one will have a mostly red body
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4044/jan2redcover.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/jan2redcover.jpg/)

[DLFL]

Harry they sure are looking good.

[gillym]

Nice Harry. Glad i got to see them in person!

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

[Harry Marsh]

Had a dead one Friday night. I'm down to 7

I've been working long hours and hadn't paid much attention to the fish (other than water changes and feeding)
If I had watched them for a few minutes, maybe I would have seen something awry?

I woke up Friday night to feed some babies brine shrimp and noticed this guy near the top: heater burn mark on his body and swollen stomach.
I don't know which happened first (titanium heater meeting, or swollen belly)
Regardless, he was a floater by morning.
From what I can remember, he this fish was a bit smaller than the other fish with average color. Nothing interesting either way

Two days later, I finally found a tape measure.
I had been wanting to measure a few, but not like this

On the other hand, I usually expect one dead fish or two out of a batch. So, no complaint. If the others live and do well, I'll count this a success

Anyway, shrunken body and this guy measures 4.25". I bet he was a bit bigger Friday night. He was shrunken and warped when I measured.
He was probably #5 in size. So, I'd bet my largest fish is just under 5". the smallest fish just over 4"
No complaint. And no complaint with the size of these fish, as long as they grow another 2" or so in the next few months :)


http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2644/shrivel.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/shrivel.jpg/)

[Second Hand Pat]

So sorry to see this Harry. Most likely he was larger as things tend to shrink up as it dries out. Best of luck with the rest of the batch.

[Eddie]

Sorry to hear about the loss Harry.

[Harry Marsh]

A few more pictures
Nothing exciting to report
More red and a bit bigger

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3764/1201no.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/1201no.jpg/)

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1186/1202b.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/1202b.jpg/)

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3549/1203a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/507/1203a.jpg/)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3865/1204d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/1204d.jpg/)


http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3689/120group.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/120group.jpg/)

[Cosgrovb]

The shape on the big guy is perfect. You spent seem too thrilled about these guys? How come?

[Trier20]

Sorry to hear about that loss Harry. Though on a good note the rest are lookin great

[Harry Marsh]

Yea, I don't guess I get excited about these guys.
It takes me looking at the pictures to see any progress. When you see them every day, it's a bit tiring
But looking at the progression pictures is pretty neat.

2 or 3 of them will be very nice fish if they keep growing
It's time to move them to a 75 gallon, which I've been working on setting up for some time (new fish room)
Pictures soon, I hope

[Chicago Discus]

You got some good growth on those bad boys....Josie

[Skip]

nice harry!

[Kevin C]

Awesome! That's nice pair of discus. I currently have pair of 5in blue diamonds raising babies. Never wanted to breed because I dont have the time but they got it right the first time around and it tap water so what the heck! lol thanks for sharing!

[Jeff O]

Great work harry, They all look wonderful.
-Jeff

[hedut]

Looking good Harry

[Harry Marsh]

I'm slacking horribly on wipedowns, but water changes have been kept up.
I'm preparing a 75 gallon for these guys. Also an excuse for me to slack on cleaning. Water going in the 75, now.

These guys are starting to 'pop' with color
They are quite varied regarding size (high body vs round) and color (straight lines vs just a few spots)

Apologies for bad pics: these come from the phone
Maybe I'll take a few tomorrow in the new, clean tank.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/6783/turk1c.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/turk1c.jpg/)

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1118/turk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/turk2.jpg/)


http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2876/turk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/turk3.jpg/)


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/444/turk4k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/turk4k.jpg/)


http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9451/turk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/turk5.jpg/)

[0Dgreen]

very nice!

[gillym]

Nice! They're movin on up to a de-luxe apartment in the skkkky :-)

Gm

[chaoslite]

Those have definitely grown for you Harry. They look great.

Mishka

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking great Harry. They must be 4+ inches by now.

[DLFL]

They are beautiful .

[pastry]

Harry, great to see an update. I need to take some pics soon of my little guys I got from you. It's like I blinked and they all of a sudden have crazy colors. I was moving one of the culls back to the main tank (not cull due to growth rate but more due to dorsal fin) and it was exactly 4 inches on the ruler, from tail to mouth. The two normal guys are getting closer and closer to 5" when seeing them next to that cull. The are really contrasting nicely with my VR's and RC's (of which I have two VR/RC pairs breeding like crazy; the eggs and fry are super red... never saw that on non-albino fish).

Thanks for the updates and I'll try to do my best to send you some posts soon!

[Jeff O]

They just get better and better! Great job!
-jeff

[Trier20]

Looking very nice Harry!

[Cosgrovb]

I wonder if the lines will straighten like they did in this post!

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?p=782715#post782715

[Cosgrovb]

And then the update.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?p=962627#post962627

[Harry Marsh]

I've only got one batch of babies that survived from a previous spawn, about 6 months older than these

I have a few current photos of those fish. 6 fish. a few straight line, a few not

My female isn't a straight line, or the ratio would probably be higher

[Cosgrovb]

I would be interested to see the fist batch if you get a chance start a new thread. Best of luck Pontiacbarron!

[Harry Marsh]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3499/imag0174rm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/imag0174rm.jpg/)

That's the oldest one I know of. I'm guessing 16 or 17 months old

It's a female that came from the same male and female in this batch

[Cosgrovb]

She is really pretty. How long until the speckles turn into lines? 8 months?

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/11/6ebepy6y.jpg

[Harry Marsh]

I think, longer
somewhere around 12 or 14 months

[Harry Marsh]

It's a shame, but I think these guys are going on the 'sale' block

I've ran out of well water (my guess). I don't know what's going on.
I can't do a single water change without hitting air at the new house (well water)

I've sold 30/40 fish in the last week. I'm trying to keep these fish, but looks like I may have no chance
If someone is local and wants to continue the contest: let me know

[Poco]

Sorry to hear that, have you checked if you can increase the well depth but I guess it is going to cost a lot.

[rdiscus]

Sorry Harry ... oh new house ... I don't want to move anywhere :)