Arturo's Contest Fish

[Silver]

Hi everyone! first I'd like to start showing the fish:


The male is a "White Diamond" (that was the strain or name given to the fish I don't know any background of the fish sorry)

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/leopard%20white%20angel/2-1.jpg


The female is a "Velvet Red" (Is the one on the bottom)

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/Johnathan%20fish/3.jpg

[rdiscus]

Why white diamond has yellow and blue on it? and female look like red melon to me ...

[nc0gnet0]

Red melons don't have white faces rdiscus. Should get some red/whites out of this cross with maybe some random yellow thrown in. alot will depend on the genetics of the white diamond, but it does appear to be pb based (as is the velvet red).

Rick

[Silver]

Water parameters:

* PH: 6.22
* Conductivity: 120 µs/cm
* Temperature: 83 F.

06-17-12
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2643.jpg
06-18-12
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2647.jpg
06-18-12
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2652.jpg

[Silver]

Why white diamond has yellow and blue on it? and female look like red melon to me ...

To be honest I don't know anything about the white diamond I gotit when it was around 3" to me its just a white fish with a blue halo but idk the genetics on it..


Red melons don't have white faces rdiscus. Should get some red/whites out of this cross with maybe some random yellow thrown in. alot will depend on the genetics of the white diamond, but it does appear to be pb based (as is the velvet red).

Rick

Thanks for your help here Rick, its good to have people like you around here that knows genetics and have some good knowledge thanks again..

[Skip]

Nice!!! keep updating!

[Silver]

I'm sorry for the quality of pictures they were taken with my cell but that's the only prof I have :) from now on I will take better pics I promise..

06-27-12 Free swimming
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2686.jpg
06-29-12. 2 days after free swimming
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/Untitled-1.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2705.jpg

[Silver]

Nice!!! keep updating!

Thanks... I will but for now I have to go to do WCS lol.

[nc0gnet0]

Am I seeing a 50% split between white based and darker fry?

Rick

[jaykne]

Am I seeing a 50% split between white based and darker fry?

Rick

I think your right Rick, and from what I know about white base they are as strong as pigeon. So if that is the case than the darker ones are what pigeon's that are really peppered? Something else I wonder is the male does look white base, but don't white base stay solid white I know they have the blue glow, but I thought other than that they were solid white. I don't know that is one I know very little about is white based fish, that is why I told Arturo to post it here to get other people in that know more about what this could be?

[xxbenjamminxx]

Awesome looking fish no matter what name it is given. :) Keep the pics coming for sure.

[Second Hand Pat]

Arturo, glad to see you have entered the contest. It was sure nice to have meet you at the show. Nice parents BTW

[rdiscus]

Red melons don't have white faces rdiscus. Rick

Who say Red melons don't have white faces? What is this ?http://www.centralohiodiscus.com/largemelon4.JPG

[nc0gnet0]

I think your right Rick, and from what I know about white base they are as strong as pigeon. So if that is the case than the darker ones are what pigeon's that are really peppered?

I am pretty sure all it means at this point is the male (white daimond) is heterozygous for the white gene (only has one). The white based fish do have a tendeny to mask pepper, but it's to early to tell if the darker ones are heavily peppered. They could be as clean as a whistle, they just don't have the white gene.


Something else I wonder is the male does look white base, but don't white base stay solid white I know they have the blue glow, but I thought other than that they were solid white. I don't know that is one I know very little about is white based fish, that is why I told Arturo to post it here to get other people in that know more about what this could be?

There are several white based pb that are not solid white, red/whites and ogon yellows to name a few.

[nc0gnet0]

Who say Red melons don't have white faces? What is this ?

Looks like a velvet red :)

When I thihnk red melon I think of a fish like this:

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?94493-Please-rate-my-red-melon-%28female%29&p=873956#post873956

Alot of breeders will apply a different name when the face is white. In your example the breeder choose not to. Long story short, they are very simular (velvet red, red melon, etc) and it's all part of the name game.

Rick

[jaykne]

Who say Red melons don't have white faces? What is this ?http://www.centralohiodiscus.com/largemelon4.JPG

rdiscus, Rick is right in most cases Red Melons don't have a nice white face, the ones you are showing are not full grown and IME most younger Red Melons are not solid red. The fish Arturo has he got from a Sponsor on SD and they were being sold as Velvet Red's. I would like to see an adult Red Melon that has a very white face and deep red body like Arturo's fish. Allot of red pigeons are allot alike but again if you look at an adult Red Melon they really look nothing like a Velvet Red IMO.

[yim11]

Very nice Arturo! I really look forward to seeing these grow out, best of luck in the contest!

Thanks,
-jim

[jaykne]

There are several white based pb that are not solid white, red/whites and ogon yellows to name a few.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Rick, I know very little about white based, and did not know Red/Whites and Ogon Yellows were white based at all alway thought the were PB's but like I said that is something I know little about.

[jaykne]

It will be very interesting to see these guys a year from now, I'm happy you are going to enter them in the Contest Arturo!!!

[nc0gnet0]

Thanks Rick, I know very little about white based, and did not know Red/Whites and Ogon Yellows were white based at all alway thought the were PB's but like I said that is something I know little about.

Well Larry, in a lot of cases they are both.

Rick

[Silver]

:
Am I seeing a 50% split between white based and darker fry?

Rick

I know it kind of looks like that on the picture but so far I don't see any papering at all :thumbsup: (not yet) but usually at this stage they should show some but nada...

[Silver]

:
Awesome looking fish no matter what name it is given. :) Keep the pics coming for sure.

Thanks Benjamin.. :thumbsup::thumbsup:


Arturo, glad to see you have entered the contest. It was sure nice to have meet you at the show. Nice parents BTW

Thanks Pat... same here.. Well I'm going to give it a try, if people don't try they are not going to get anywhere so lets try... :juggle:

[Second Hand Pat]

Great idea Arturo :D

[Silver]

Very nice Arturo! I really look forward to seeing these grow out, best of luck in the contest!

Thanks,
-jim

Thanks Jim. I will try my best....


It will be very interesting to see these guys a year from now, I'm happy you are going to enter them in the Contest Arturo!!!

Thanks Larry Hopefully I can get them to the year and as you know I'm always curios of what they will look like in a year thanks my friend..

[Silver]

Updates: First I'd like to mention that the fry is 12 days old, it was never feed with brine shrimp at all I usually do feed my fry with it but this time I was in vacation for a week plus they didn't get wc for 3 days after I got back (5th July) I was so busy so I just start feeding them with some flakes they start eating little by little so i decide to skip the brine shrimp and then i feed them my home made beef heart mix and they love it so here a video of them eating enjoy...

07-09-12. [12 Days old eating beef heart mix]


http://youtu.be/MTGjbq9DemA

[Eddie]

Actually that white looks like it could be calico or ghost.

[Silver]

Actually that white looks like it could be calico or ghost.

Eddie I dont really know lol. it's just a multi-mix lol jk.

[Silver]

Here is another vid of the same night just a closer look and better view of them:

07-09-12


http://youtu.be/WQ71Cv0cAN4

[Eddie]

It looks a white diamond but the picture darkness gives the appearance of something else like ghost.

[johnnathan]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[zimmjeff]

I like it no matter what the name.

[Silver]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thanks Johnnathan..


I like it no matter what the name.

I agree with you.. thanks for looking..

[Silver]

Hey just sharing some pics here: WC once a day, they eat flakes, beef heart mix for now...

07-10-12

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2761.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2763.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2765.jpg

[Eddie]

Nice work!

[Disgirl]

Looking good Arturo! I have never seen such small fry picking at a cube of frozen beefheart mix at 12 days old! I am always so proud to see a spawn of discus eggs on one of my cones. Well done, keep up those wc's! I will follow your progress here,
Barb

[Silver]

Nice work!

Thanks Eddie


Looking good Arturo! I have never seen such small fry picking at a cube of frozen beefheart mix at 12 days old! I am always so proud to see a spawn of discus eggs on one of my cones. Well done, keep up those wc's! I will follow your progress here,
Barb

Thanks Barb, I think I was just lucky this time, hopefully I can get them big; my fish loves your cones :) thanks once again and I'll get a picture of them tonight so I can posted ...

[Harry Marsh]

Agreed; interesting to have them on beef heart this early

You might end up with some nice growth!

[heckel90]

Hi Arturo, congratulations for your fry!
I´m surprised about the beefheart on early stage but it seems to work...

how much water (%) do you change each day? do you match Ph before adding?

[Silver]

Hi Arturo, congratulations for your fry!
I´m surprised about the beefheart on early stage but it seems to work...

Thanks.. as I said before I got lucky this time, I try before with other fry from another pairs and they wouldn't it it ...
how much water (%) do you change each day? do you match Ph before adding?

95% every night and the ph is usually the same straight from tap water..

[heckel90]

perfect!!

[Silver]

I must report that I got home today and 5 of my fry were dead, and a lots of them are breeding fast and stay at the top of the aquarium I did check ammonia and nitrite they are at 0. I dont know what the problem is, the only problem I can think of is doing 2 Wc's yesterday the second one was not aged water .... their gills kind of turn red a little bit but idk any opinions here? :confused:

[Brokenrack]

What's your temp.? Do you use prime etc. any chance you overdosed (it will reduce O2 as well)?
Scott

[Silver]

What's your temp.? Do you use prime etc. any chance you overdosed (it will reduce O2 as well)?
Scott

Temperature is 83 I did use prime as usual... So today I put a filter full with carbon to get aal the bad stuff out of my water before add it to my fry hoping it help ... Will see what happent tomorrow tonight I lost a bunch of then :(

[Eddie]

I must report that I got home today and 5 of my fry were dead, and a lots of them are breeding fast and stay at the top of the aquarium I did check ammonia and nitrite they are at 0. I dont know what the problem is, the only problem I can think of is doing 2 Wc's yesterday the second one was not aged water .... their gills kind of turn red a little bit but idk any opinions here? :confused:

Why was the second water change done without aged water?

[Silver]

Why was the second water change done without aged water?

I made the mistake on making all my Wc's And used all my aged water and later that night decide to do a second wc when I didn't have no aged water ...

[Brokenrack]

Are they better now? Could be bloat as well from the beefheart etc.

[Silver]

Are they better now? Could be bloat as well from the beefheart etc.

Well they are worse I lost more than half of them and they still going down :(

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2790.jpg

They are a quarter size maybe just a little bit more @ 20 days old but if they are dying its no good..

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2785.jpg

I did notice one thing, I open a couple little ones to check their gills and notice that they were gone check the pic..

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2787.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Damn Arturo, how can the gill be gone?? :( sorry for all the trouble.

[Silver]

Damn Arturo, how can the gill be gone?? :( sorry for all the trouble.

I know Pat :(. No the gill outside I mean to say the interior of the gill idk what's call lol but the picture shows when I open it with a knife the inside is pretty much empty I think they got burn with the wc's who knows ..

[Chad Adams]

Hey Buddy. I'm sorry to hear this. I was on the Georgia Boy's team!

Chad

[jaykne]

Really sorry to hear this my friend, maybe best just to cull the rest and let the parents start over :(.

[Silver]

Hey Buddy. I'm sorry to hear this. I was on the Georgia Boy's team!

Chad


Really sorry to hear this my friend, maybe best just to cull the rest and let the parents start over :(.

Thanks guys it's all good it's part of the hobby... Larry thanks for the idea, that's exactly what I'm doing tonight get them to star again I still got time August 15 ..

[Disgirl]

Good luck with the next spawn, hope it will be soon. At least you got in some good experience with this one.
Barb

[Second Hand Pat]

Arturo, a tough call for sure but better in the long run. I am strongly considering doing the same with my small spawn. The fish seem weak and about a third are quite small. Best of luck with the next batch.
Pat

[Silver]

Good luck with the next spawn, hope it will be soon. At least you got in some good experience with this one.
Barb

Thanks Barb, as soon as get home Im getting the rest out of there and place the cone back in the tank... :)

[Silver]

Arturo, a tough call for sure but better in the long run. I am strongly considering doing the same with my small spawn. The fish seem weak and about a third are quite small. Best of luck with the next batch.
Pat

Thanks Pat, I will defenatly get the rest out of the tank so I can star fresh again, whatever decision you end up taken I wish you the best :)

[Eddie]

Sorry to hear of the loss. Just a quick question, have they been raised in the water with PH of 6.2 and the low conductivity?

[Harry Marsh]

Interesting
I don't think it's water changes.

I used to use tap water: chlorinated. Never had any issues, as long as I put in prime/safe/dechlorinator

[Silver]

Sorry to hear of the loss. Just a quick question, have they been raised in the water with PH of 6.2 and the low conductivity?

No problem.. And yes I raise all my fry at those parameters as a matter fact I have 2 other baches at 2 1/2 inches and they were affected too but they are only breathing fast and eating less but they are fine ..

[MKD]

Interesting
I don't think it's water changes.

I used to use tap water: chlorinated. Never had any issues, as long as I put in prime/safe/dechlorinator

same here, i use tap water w/ prime too and hope it's not because of tap water. I'll need to retest my water.

Arturo - do you age your water?

[Harry Marsh]

I think I would be quick to blame the beef heart

Maybe the fry were picking at it because they were starving, no other choice?
Do fry that Small even have a digestive system to handle meat?

Your death rate sounds similar to batches when I was young to this and was trying to raise fry on artificial foods

All seemed well until die offs of 20% of the fish at a time... As they slowly starved and died in waves
A few would survive....the ones that ate the most

[Silver]

same here, i use tap water w/ prime too and hope it's not because of tap water. I'll need to retest my water.

Arturo - do you age your water?

I do, for the fry only 24 hours approximately...and don't worry the only difference here is the I live 2 1/2 miles from a water treatment facility... keep growing those babes :)

[Silver]

I think I would be quick to blame the beef heart

Maybe the fry were picking at it because they were starving, no other choice?
Do fry that Small even have a digestive system to handle meat?

Your death rate sounds similar to batches when I was young to this and was trying to raise fry on artificial foods

All seemed well until die offs of 20% of the fish at a time... As they slowly starved and died in waves
A few would survive....the ones that ate the most

Harry I'm sorry to let you down but its not the beef heart mix, it was my water as I live only 2 1/2 miles from a water treatment, facility just to add more info I'm raising two other batches from other pairs they are around 2 1/2 and the same thing happen to them fast breading and eating less food but not dead ones so that its telling me the my water was treat with more chemicals or higher amounts; the same happen to me last year lost 2 batches of fry around the same size that's why now i had place a lots of carbon in a filter to filter my water 24 hours before add it to my tanks..

The fry were eating flakes as well, plus my beef heart mix only consist with 30% of beef heart 70% are the rest of the components thanks for your opinion..

[Harry Marsh]

Interesting if true

I would like to see juvies on beef heart that young

Heck, I stay on bbs for nearly a month before I transition to golden pearls

[zimmjeff]

Even if you don't have fish for the contest I would be very interested in the outcome of the cross you have.

[Silver]

Even if you don't have fish for the contest I would be very interested in the outcome of the cross you have.

Thanks.. I will have some soon I can still enter the fish till August 15 some there is plenty time just make sure to check back lol.

[Harry Marsh]

So, the death was from one water change without aged water?
Was that the conclusion?

[Chicago Discus]

Interesting if true

I would like to see juvies on beef heart that young

Heck, I stay on bbs for nearly a month before I transition to golden pearls

Well it works for me LOL.....Two weeks free swimming eating beef heart......Josie


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzJUCScBq-c

[DiscusDrew]

You have until September 1st by the new rules my friend so hopefully you can get some in. Sorry for your losses, guess in the end its just part of this game so we move on and try changing it up.

Harry, why do you choose to feed golden pearls? I'm just curious, I know you don't do it immediately, at around a month I start moving to other foods as well but it rapidly approaches a standard juvenile diet, FDBW, BH mix, bills BH flakes and the like. Ask ground pretty fine still but i'm just curious.

[Chicago Discus]

You have until September 1st by the new rules my friend so hopefully you can get some in. Sorry for your losses, guess in the end its just part of this game so we move on and try changing it up.

Harry, why do you choose to feed golden pearls? I'm just curious, I know you don't do it immediately, at around a month I start moving to other foods as well but it rapidly approaches a standard juvenile diet, FDBW, BH mix, bills BH flakes and the like. Ask ground pretty fine still but i'm just curious.


I was a little confused myself I thought maybe Harry could share in that a little more....Josie

[Silver]

Conclusion:
I have talked with a couple discus experts/breeders, reported the tank parameters, food being feed, and every symptoms the fry suffered before they died. The conclusion based on their opinion was that it had to be something in the water on the final water change that did permanent damage to their gills.

[Chicago Discus]

Conclusion:
I have talked with a couple discus experts/breeders, reported the tank parameters, food being feed, and every symptoms the fry suffered before they died. The conclusion based on their opinion was that it had to be something in the water on the final water change that did permanent damage to their gills.


Yea its not beef heart LOL...lOL..we knew that.....Josie

[TNT77]

You have until September 1st by the new rules my friend so hopefully you can get some in. Sorry for your losses, guess in the end its just part of this game so we move on and try changing it up.

Harry, why do you choose to feed golden pearls? I'm just curious, I know you don't do it immediately, at around a month I start moving to other foods as well but it rapidly approaches a standard juvenile diet, FDBW, BH mix, bills BH flakes and the like. Ask ground pretty fine still but i'm just curious.
Golden pearls are a good addition to the diet. They tend to stay in the water column longer than flake does so they can help transition fry from live to dry foods.

[DiscusDrew]

Hmmm I just haven't heard much positive with them but that's generally from people using them too early. Makes sense in principle, I just usually don't have any problems getting them onto dry foods, one day starvation at the most then they eat like pigs again lol. Maybe I'll play around with them a little next time I make an order from Ken.

[jaykne]

Conclusion:
I have talked with a couple discus experts/breeders, reported the tank parameters, food being feed, and every symptoms the fry suffered before they died. The conclusion based on their opinion was that it had to be something in the water on the final water change that did permanent damage to their gills.

I have had it happen to me to many times my friend. You know I live in a small town and I never know what they are doing with my water, but now I a very good filtration system for the water coming into my fish room thanks to Paul or pcsb23 here on SD, without a doubt an expert when it comes to water. As Josie said it was not your beef heart mix not IMO, I always have my fry on beef heart mix as soon as they will take it always by 3 weeks at the latest in most cases have them eating it just a little past a week and never had any bad side affects, in fact IMO the sooner you can get them on beef heart the better they really grow fast on it.
Well don't let this get you down, get another batch going its not to late.

[nc0gnet0]

The one thing that stands out to me in this thread is this here:


the same happen to me last year lost 2 batches of fry around the same size

This could possibly point to another possible cause......Were these fry in the 4-6 week range?

Rick

[Keith Perkins]

I thought the same thing after just reading that post Rick.

I started adding small (300-500 microns) GPs to the fry diet a while back basically for two reasons. The first was that ultimately you don't know what buyers are going to want to feed the fish. My thinking was the more variety I gave the fry/juvies the more likely whatever the buyers offered them to eat they would quickly accept. I have no idea if this is actually true, but I have had good portion of my buyers say with amazement that their fish will eat anything they throw in the tank. My theory might be right, or maybe the buyers just aren't use to really healthy discus that are eating machines. The second and bigger reason is it gives me a fall back food if I screw up a batch of bbs, like I did just yesterday morning. It's funny how they don't hatch very well when you forget the last step of putting the airline in the bottle. Dah.

I keep my fry with the parents longer than some and feed the parents beefheart through out, so they get beefheart whenever they're interested as well.

Best of luck getting another batch into the contest.

[Silver]

Ok here We are again to see if I can get this guys going, they hatch 08/22/12

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00084.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00085.jpg

[Silver]

Free swimming on 08/25/12

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00108.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00112.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00115.jpg

[rdiscus]

Congrats! Good to see you back in contest ...

[Silver]

Two days free swimming, They are not that many but I'm hoping to get enough for the contest.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00196.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00201.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00206.jpg

[Silver]

Congrats! Good to see you back in contest ...

Thanks rdiscus hoping to do better this time.

[Second Hand Pat]

Arturo, glad to see you back. Good luck with these guys.
Pat

[Silver]

Arturo, glad to see you back. Good luck with these guys.
Pat

Thanks Pat I will do my best.

[Disgirl]

Glad you are back in the contest Arturo, good luck!
Barb

[Silver]

Glad you are back in the contest Arturo, good luck!
Barb

Thanks Bard.

[jaykne]

Looking Good Arturo, happy to see you deciced to get back in.

[nc0gnet0]

Glad you made it back in. Pm me as you approach the 3 week mark.........

Rick

[Silver]

Looking Good Arturo, happy to see you deciced to get back in.

Thanks Larry.


Glad you made it back in. Pm me as you approach the 3 week mark.........

Rick

Thanks Rick I will.

[Keith Perkins]

Hope everything clicks this time, I'd like to see what the juvies look like in a year. Could be some nice looking fish.

[Silver]

Hope everything clicks this time, I'd like to see what the juvies look like in a year. Could be some nice looking fish.

Thanks. That's what I'm hoping for to get them to adult stage.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Glad to see you back Arturo. Best of luck with these!!

[Larry Bugg]

Way to go Aururo. I would love to see what this cross will bring.

[Silver]

Glad to see you back Arturo. Best of luck with these!!


Way to go Aururo. I would love to see what this cross will bring.

Thanks guys. appreciated y'all support.

[Silver]

08/28/12

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00245.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00246.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00247.jpg

[Silver]

08/31/12

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00270.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00274.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00272.jpg

[rdiscus]

Look great ... nice pictures

[Silver]

Look great ... nice pictures

Thanks rdiscus just trying to get pictures up to date + I will be out of town for the rest of week, Hoping the my brother keep them alive.

[Silver]

09/02/12

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00336-1.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00331-1.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00327-1.jpg

[rdiscus]

I was out of town, got call from my brother that 'fry don't eat' ... Hope your brother doesn't call you. Have nice trip!

[Silver]

I was out of town, got call from my brother that 'fry don't eat' ... Hope your brother doesn't call you. Have nice trip!

I know right, but he has done it before so hopefully he can manage to keep them alive lol, and yes we don't want to get those calls about fry not eating but hey what can we do nothing but try our best.

[Disgirl]

Wonderful pics Arturo! You are a good photographer I see!
Barb

[Silver]

Wonderful pics Arturo! You are a good photographer I see!
Barb

Thanks Barb, well I used to take all my pictures with my cellphone for convince so I was thinking if I'm going to show everyone my fry I need to get to used my camera no my phone so it's not that I'm good photographer ts just my camara doing the work lol but thanks for the complement .

[Eddie]

Looking good! Keep up the great work!

[Poco]

Very nice pics! The person behind the camera also matters :D

[Silver]

Looking good! Keep up the great work!

Thanks Eddie.

[Silver]

Very nice pics! The person behind the camera also matters :D

Thanks, I guess lol.

[Silver]

updated
09-10-12

Still one wc a day, ph 6.8 temperature 83, enjoy. I tried hard to take the pictures the fish were moving so fast that's the best i could come out with.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00390.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00409.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00406.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00391.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00405.jpg

[rdiscus]

Arturo, glad to know they're all ok after you got back ... look great, love color of female

[Silver]

Arturo, glad to know they're all ok after you got back ... look great, love color of female

Thanks Ryan, She actually looks a little whitish due to the mucus which the fry won't eat anymore.

[Chicago Discus]

Great job Arturo ---bonitos bebés que tienen allí......Josie

[Silver]

Great job Arturo ---bonitos bebés que tienen allí......Josie

Thanks Josie. they were swimming like crazy hopefully next time I can get them to stay still for the pics, Muchas gracias. Se le agradese el comentario, un saludo.

[Disgirl]

Really great pics Arturo! The fry are so very cute. Sure wish I had a breeding pair so I could experience all this fun for myself. Yours are particularly cute little ones!
Barb

[Silver]

Really great pics Arturo! The fry are so very cute. Sure wish I had a breeding pair so I could experience all this fun for myself. Yours are particularly cute little ones!
Barb

Thanks Barb, I'll try to update pictures every 3 or 4 days thanks once again.

[Silver]

updated 09-16-12

95% wc per day eating BHM, flakes, and FDBW, the color it looks a little bit different due to the LED light its more natural looking. enjoy

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00425_zps6fbe88cc.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00446_zps8338c53d.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00469_zpsc5d7182d.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00454_zpsb96cd314.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00464_zps15c4704a.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Your babies are looking most excellent Arturo and love the LED lighting.

[Poco]

Awesome!

[Silver]

Your babies are looking most excellent Arturo and love the LED lighting.


Awesome!

Thank you guys, I think Im going to separate my 30 tomorrow but before I get to do it I will take some pics, as you can see this last pics are from the 16th.

[Disgirl]

What a great looking family! I am reminded of the Invisible Man and Woman, from years ago, they were clear plastic people you could see through and see all their organs. Have you ever seen them, but probably way before you were born, I bet others remember them though.
Barb

[Eddie]

Great pictures! Fry are coming along nicely!

[Chad Adams]

Looking Good Buddy!

Chad

[Silver]

What a great looking family! I am reminded of the Invisible Man and Woman, from years ago, they were clear plastic people you could see through and see all their organs. Have you ever seen them, but probably way before you were born, I bet others remember them though.
Barb

lol thanks Barb, I haven't :( I search online but it looked like the movie was pretty new idk maybe it was the wrong movie.

[Silver]

Great pictures! Fry are coming along nicely!


Looking Good Buddy!

Chad

Thanks, they still doing good so far, pictures coming soon.

[Silver]

Updated 09-23-12

Well as September 23 I separate my 30 discus from the parents they actually were 31 but they are not longer with the parents anymore enjoy the pictures.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00560.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00564.jpg

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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00572.jpg

[rdiscus]

Very nice Arturo ... they're same age with my fire red

[Silver]

Very nice Arturo ... they're same age with my fire red

Thanks, yes they are lol.

[Silver]

update 10-03-12 I lost 2 of them since then I had been losing one pretty much every day and let me tell you they are no the small ones they are the ones in decent size. My parameters are the same I did change the routine on feeding I feed them less just to keep it on the safe side I do 2 Wc's sometime specially in the weekends here are some pics of the dead fish and size on October 3.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2944.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2943.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2946.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2945.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/IMG_2947.jpg

[Silver]

Updated 10-11-12 since October 3 I start feeding less and sometimes 2 Wc,s 3 days ago I tread them with some medication to see if they would get better I took some pictures last night and they seen to be better so hopefully I can save at least my 8 :)

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00608.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00630.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00629.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00628.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00626.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00623.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00620.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00611.jpg

[shawnhu]

Good luck Arturo! Went through the same thing, around the same size and age. Hang in there. Ask if you need the help.

[Silver]

Good luck Arturo! Went through the same thing, around the same size and age. Hang in there. Ask if you need the help.

Thanks. I'll try my best as always :)

[rdiscus]

They look great to me ... hope they're all ok Arturo

[Silver]

They look great to me ... hope they're all ok Arturo

Ryan thats the big question lol they look good and it only takes 5 minutes to died with no explanation anyways thanks.

[Second Hand Pat]

Arturo, they do look good and hope all will be well from here on out.

[Silver]

Arturo, they do look good and hope all will be well from here on out.

Thanks Pat cross your fingers :)

[Second Hand Pat]

I will :)

[Eddie]

Looking good Arturo. Hope they pull through.

[Silver]

Looking good Arturo. Hope they pull through.

Thanks.

[Poco]

They are looking great and growing well. Hope they will all be ok.

[nc0gnet0]

Any updates?

Rick

[Silver]

Any updates?

Rick

Updates. sorry I been so busy as usual lol. but here are some new pictures after the last update I lost two more but I been able so keep this guys alive :) one Wc a day feeding FDBW, HMBH, Granulates, and pro-grown flakes.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00752.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00753.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00758.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00767.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00772.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00773.jpg

[Harry Marsh]

How old are these guys?

[Silver]

How old are these guys?

Approximately two months. Well two months and one day.

[nc0gnet0]

These will be fun to watch develop, any idea as to thier size at this age?

Rick

[Silver]

These will be fun to watch develope, any idea as to thier size at this age?

Rick

Hey Rick I don't really know their size yet, but I'm planing on pick my final 8 tonight and I can pull one of the biggest and small ones out to measure, hoping not to hurt them.

[Teshi]

I'm just curious as to what criteria you look for in choosing the 8.

[bonginator]

Interesting color development on some of their fins....

[Chad Adams]

Interesting color development on some of their fins....

I noticed that myself. Will be interesting to see how that develops.
Glad these jones are doing well Arturo!

Chad

[DLFL]

Looking forward to see the future development. Nice juvs.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Very Nice. I wish you the best with your eight!

[Silver]

I'm just curious as to what criteria you look for in choosing the 8.

Well first of all is the size and shape, and then coloration.


Interesting color development on some of their fins....

Thanks will see how they develop.

[Silver]

I noticed that myself. Will be interesting to see how that develops.
Glad these jones are doing well Arturo!

Chad

Yes hopefully I can keep them alive so we can see their color and paters thanks Chad.


Looking forward to see the future development. Nice juvs.

Thanks.


Very Nice. I wish you the best with your eight!

Thanks Craig, I will show some pics soon.

[1oscar]

great strain you have there

[Silver]

great strain you have there

Thanks. Oscar

[Silver]

I'm sorry I haven't had updated I have been busy plus family issues but here are some updates:

Here is one picture I manage to take on 10-28-12 which the fish were 2 months and 3 days the fish was 2 inches.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00791.jpg

[Silver]

Now these pictures were taken on 11-24-12 the fish were 1 day before they turn 3 months old and they were 2 1/2"

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00824.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00826.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00828.jpg

[Silver]

pictures taken on 11-26-12 fish 3 months and 1 day old enjoy the pictures, forgot to mention that these fish are my 8.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00839.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00853.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00849.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00847.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00841.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00833.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00830.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00838.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC00852.jpg

[rdiscus]

Very interesting looking fish ... Nice

[Silver]

Fr
Very interesting looking fish ... Nice

Thanks Ryan, they keep changing look everyday.

[Skip]

cool.. what are these? some kind of calicos?

[Poco]

Growing well!

[Second Hand Pat]

cool.. what are these? some kind of calicos?

The male is a "White Diamond" and the female is a "Velvet Red". Parents shown in the first post of the thread.

[nc0gnet0]

Some of these are starting to get a SS pattern, will be very interesting to see how they turn out!

Rick

[Silver]

Some of these are starting to get a SS pattern, will be very interesting to see how they turn out!

Rick

Thanks Rick I will be posting a video here soon.

[Silver]

Video was taken on 11-26-12. 3 months old, play it on HD.


http://youtu.be/kEsX69_HhaM

[brewmaster15]

HI Arturo!
Fish look like they are developing some real nice colors on them...reminds me of red white crosses! Interesting! looking forward to seeing how they look in a few months! Keep up the good work here! Any updates?

-al

[Silver]

HI Arturo!
Fish look like they are developing some real nice colors on them...reminds me of red white crosses! Interesting! looking forward to seeing how they look in a few months! Keep up the good work here! Any updates?

-al

Thanks Al.

[Silver]

4 months and 3 days

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC01011.jpg

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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC01061.jpg

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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/Doming275/2012%20contest%20fish/DSC01056.jpg

[Pancho]

Nice!!

[Silver]

Nice!!

Thanks Pancho.

[Len]

These fish are interesting Arturo. Good job!

[timvriens]

Nice fish, i wonder what they are going to look like in a few months, the red in the fins is really special

[DLFL]

Very interesting. I am glad you chose to keep these. A big job that may bring a big reward. Good luck.

[nc0gnet0]

The red in the fins will most likely fade overtime and grow out (much like a spot on your fingernail does). What is very intriguing about these fish is not the red in the fins, but the developement of the red SS pattern coming in on the body region of some of the 14 bar offspring. Very nice indeed Arturo, stay on top of these guys you may have something here.

What are you feeding now?

Rick

[Larry Bugg]

Looking great Arturo. Lots of hard work is paying off.

[jawfish]

Great Job Arturo,
These guys are very interesting, love the blotching
Really looking how they will develop further.

Cheers,

Fred

[Eddie]

Nice group!

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Man those guys are looking great!!!!

[Silver]

These fish are interesting Arturo. Good job!


Nice fish, i wonder what they are going to look like in a few months, the red in the fins is really special


Very interesting. I am glad you chose to keep these. A big job that may bring a big reward. Good luck.

Thanks y'all.

[Silver]

The red in the fins will most likely fade overtime and grow out (much like a spot on your fingernail does). What is very intriguing about these fish is not the red in the fins, but the developement of the red SS pattern coming in on the body region of some of the 14 bar offspring. Very nice indeed Arturo, stay on top of these guys you may have something here.

What are you feeding now?

Rick

Hey Ricks thanks. They been eating BH, flakes and FDBW. Wc's 90% every other day, they still in a 20g.

[Silver]

Looking great Arturo. Lots of hard work is paying off.


Great Job Arturo,
These guys are very interesting, love the blotching
Really looking how they will develop further.

Cheers,

Fred


Nice group!


Man those guys are looking great!!!!

Thank you guys and thanks for the support to everyone here in Simply.

[jawfish]

Any updates ?
love to see how they they are developing

Cheers,

Fred

[Reulandjr]

Did something happen to your brood? I hope not, it's been almost 6 weeks without a post?

[discofan]

Hey Arturo Donde te fuistes?

[Silver]

Any updates ?
love to see how they they are developing

Cheers,

Fred

I'm sorry I haven't post forever, I have some pictures that I never had a change to post I will post them as soon I I can thanks.


Did something happen to your brood? I hope not, it's been almost 6 weeks without a post?

No, nothing happen to them, they are all good and doing great, as right now I'm in Mexico do to family issues and I did not log in for long time, I know it has been forever if I get kick out of the contest I will understand but as soon I get my internet stablished I will be getting pictures from my brother who is taking care of my fish thanks.


Hey Arturo Donde te fuistes?

Estoy en la ciudad de Mexico tube problemas familiares que tenia que hacer me cargo y ahora estoy por aca pero en cuanto pueda pondre algunas fotos cuando mi hermano me las mande y establesca mi Internet gracias y disculpen las tardansas.

[teps168]

Would really love to see an update of Arturo's fish, I hope your family issues are resolved.