Batch 3 Mercury x APD

[nc0gnet0]

New Batch just attached Saturday. My main goal here is to compare the offspring to the mercury x ARM batch and see if I get any simular offspring except in yellow.

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/mercxapd2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/mercxapd.jpg

[nc0gnet0]

Five days old:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/mercapd.jpg

[oldfar]

Man I can't wait to see these ,contest fish maybe?You and Discus Drew ,I keep up with .

[Second Hand Pat]

Intriguing cross Rick.

[rdiscus]

Congrats ... your Albino Pearl Diamond looks different than mine (looks like albino red melon)

[nc0gnet0]

thats is because this particual pearl diamond has been used as a foster several times and has gone from yellow to orange in the process. That and i likes color flakes.

[nc0gnet0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1o83nzV-cNY

[nc0gnet0]

http://youtu.be/rhlq0OzBV7Y

[nc0gnet0]

Getting fed BBS:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKyNjY6td5M&feature=player_detailpage



Currently getting fed BBS 4 times a day. Feedings are typically at 6:30 am, 4:15 pm, 7:30 pm, and 11:00 pm. Two 50-60 % water changes a day, one at 5:15 pm and one at 11:00 pm. Water change amount will increase to 80% when I begin with solid foods. I have one HOB filter and one sponge filter in the tank. temperature is set to 82.5. I use 100 % RO water with just enough RO waste water to bring my TDS up to around 70 ppm. PH is typically at or about 7.6-7.8, but I honestly don't monitor this much at all.

If you look closely a few are starting to take a preference to mom and dads food on the right, pecking away at the cube of FDBW in the feeder. Typically within a few days of this, they will all develope this preference and at that time I transition to foods other than BBS.

Rick

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/9-17-merc.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/9-17-merc2.jpg


I apologize for the late update, but photobucket has been having some real issues of late and I could not upload these friday. Starting to see some difference in size, but this is mainly due to the fact I have two different types of offspring from this cross. Different strains grow at different rates and as you can see the pigeon bloods seem to be outpacing the browns. Currently down to 30 fry (I think, hard to get a good count on these little guys).

I was asked to provide details on how I went about choosing the 30, and to be honest with this batch I haven't yet seen any defects yet and the sizes are consistant between types. For this reason the 30 that were left as I was trying to remove some from the tank are the 30 I am going to go with. It is very hard to almost possible to pick the "30" best at this size, and while I do typically cull at this stage I am only looking for obvious defects.

[rdiscus]

Your fry are not much different about the size ... some of my fry are much bigger than the others

[DLFL]

Looks like you have some winners there!

Dick L.

[Eddie]

Nice!

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b2-9-23-2_zpsd88efb60.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b2-9-23-1_zpsfbac65bb.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0drlNJdpyv8

[nc0gnet0]

One Month Update



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Q5Rv6n9Mavo

There is actually a few 14 bar fry in there.

[rdiscus]

Look great ...

[discuseight]

congrats......your diamond so beuty

[damba]

Lovely fish and great growth. Hope it continues.

I live in Eastbourne - the sunniest place in Britain. That isn't really saying much...

[DLFL]

Thgey are doing very good.

[nc0gnet0]

Week 5

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-7-4.jpg


http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-7-3.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-7-2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-7-1.jpg

[rdiscus]

Look great

[DLFL]

The fry are showing very good body shape! Keep up the good work.


Dick

[Poco]

The fry are showing very good body shape! Keep up the good work.


Dick

Agree, very nice shape.

[Eddie]

As always, super nice youngins.

[nc0gnet0]

Week 6

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-14-1.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-14-2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-14-3.jpg


I couldn't get these guys to stand still they were to be going spastic begging for food.

[DLFL]

Gorgeous little ones!

[Len]

Really nice looking development. I really like the guy with the red fins in the second picture.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Those guys are really nice!!! Great Job

[nc0gnet0]

Week 7

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-21-6.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-21-5.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-21-4.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-21-3.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-21-2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-21-1.jpg

[Eddie]

Very nice Rick!

[nc0gnet0]

Week 8

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-18-3.jpg


http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-18-1.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-18-2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/ss.jpg

[Eddie]

Looking great Rick!

[nc0gnet0]

Week 9

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-4-6.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-4-5.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-4-4.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-4-3.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-4-2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-4-1.jpg

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Very nice Rick!!!

[Eddie]

Good lookin pups!

[DLFL]

Nice juvs!

[nc0gnet0]

Week 10

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-12-2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-12-1.jpg

[Eddie]

Nice!

[nc0gnet0]

WEEK 11


http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-2.jpg?t=1353291453

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-8.jpg?t=1353291452

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-1.jpg?t=1353291451

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-3.jpg?t=1353291457

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-4.jpg?t=1353291457

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-5.jpg?t=1353291461

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-6.jpg?t=1353291462

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-18-7.jpg?t=1353291464

[Eddie]

Really nice! That one in picture 3 is substantially larger than the rest!

[Cosgrovb]

The most interesting concept of all of your threads concerning contestant fish is simply that your fry is still with the parents. It is fundamentally different than all others in the contest and will likely be an interesting data point to consider when the contest finishes. It had to be mentioned I think....

[nc0gnet0]

Not all my fry but three of four batches are (the first batch wasn't). It helped alot when I culled down to eight, those eight felt fine as long as they were with mom and dad.

[nc0gnet0]

Eddie the fish in picture three is the same as the one in picture four, and that particular fish is a 14 bar. I am very interested to see how it developes.

Rick

[Cosgrovb]

Not all but a close majority are very skittish and look uncomfortable in groups of 8 at this young age. Likely if the groups were larger it would cut down on the stress. I have to say I really like your savvyness in keeping your groups of 8 (3 of 4) with at least one parent. They look less stressed to me and overall in great health. Just my observations. This contest is great for ideas. I think you just have me a great one!

[Eddie]

Eddie the fish in picture three is the same as the one in picture four, and that particular fish is a 14 bar. I am very interested to see how it developes.

Rick

Nice! Should be an interesting turn out. Strange that a APD or a Mercury would have snake gene.

[DLFL]

I am looking forward to seeing all the different types you get. Very interesting.

[Poco]

Very nice! They are growing well.

[Chicago Discus]

The little buggers look great. nice growth evenly shaped and good color....Nice....Josie

any updates?

[nc0gnet0]

Week 12

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-27-3.jpg?t=1353996178

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-27-4.jpg?t=1353996187

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-27-5.jpg?t=1353996190

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-27-6.jpg?t=1353996200

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-27-7.jpg?t=1353996202

[Chicago Discus]

Ok we need some trading action they look great josie.............Josie

[Eddie]

Nice! Diggin those 14 bar ones!

[DLFL]

Beautiful!

[Len]

I really like the one in the second photo down.

[nc0gnet0]

The one to watch is in the third photo front and center. Although you can no longer tell, that is a 14 bar fish. Possibly a PB (hard to imagine with that color it not being a pb) but so far clean as a whistle. That and another 14 bar /grey based that did not get a decent profile picture this time around (he is in the third picture facing the back of the tank).

[Eddie]

What about the fish in picture 2 as Len mentioned. He looks to have SS gene.

[Len]

Don't get me wrong - They are all very nice. That particular fish just happens to appeal to me. It's the bright flecks through the fins set against the colour of the body that intrigues me.

[nc0gnet0]

What about the fish in picture 2 as Len mentioned. He looks to have SS gene.

LOL, you made me go double check, your right.......I think :) I can conclusively say tht after chasing him around the tank a bit (to stress him a little) he has more than 9 bars, but I cannot conclusively say he has 14....lol I can count 11 for sure, so I am thinking the other three I just cant pick out (it is hard under the color). I missed this when I selected my eight, working with these crosses I tried to get a representative of each phenotype and not neccesarily the biggest of the batch. The only exceeption to this was batch 1, in which they are all the same phenotype.


Don't get me wrong - They are all very nice. That particular fish just happens to appeal to me. It's the bright flecks through the fins set against the colour of the body that intrigues me.

No worries, I did not take it that way at all. It's funny, until recently this batch did not get a lot of comments, and it has been my favorite batch of the group. but I could never capture what I was seeing in person on camera. Having worked with the Asian Mercury in the past, I knew this batch would be the "wild card"......you just never know what your going to get.

[Eddie]

Nice! I've got my eye on that one! ;)

[Rod]

Really nice Rick. Nice shapes and health, and an interesting mix of discus :)

I wonder if the APD or the mercury is a snakeskin? or perhaps both are! The bd gene would mask the effect of the ss gene in the mercury, and the no pattern gene of the APD would also effectively mask the ss gene. Nice and interesting cross.

[nc0gnet0]

Rod,

Almost positive it is coming from the APD, a previous cross with an ARSG to the same mercury female resulted in no SS offspring.

Rick

[nc0gnet0]

Week 13

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-10.jpg?t=1354584222

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-1.jpg?t=1354584228

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-2.jpg?t=1354584237

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-3.jpg?t=1354584246

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-4.jpg?t=1354584249

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-5.jpg?t=1354584263

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-6.jpg?t=1354584265

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-7.jpg?t=1354584277

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-8.jpg?t=1354584280

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-3-9.jpg?t=1354584287

[DLFL]

They look to be doing very good.

[Eddie]

Very nice!


Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk

[nc0gnet0]

Week 15

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-16-8.jpg?t=1355707009

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-16-1.jpg?t=1355707010

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-16-2.jpg?t=1355707018

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-16-3.jpg?t=1355707028

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-16-4.jpg?t=1355707031

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-16-6.jpg?t=1355707042

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-16-7.jpg?t=1355707051

I am watching the little guy in the last picture carefully, he is getting a bit behind in growth but shows good potential with color and pattern. If I pull him, it will be to place him in a tank with fish of the simular size so he does not become stunted.

Rick

[Eddie]

Looking great! I like that little dude in the last pic too! I'm sure he'll come around.

[Wjmulder]

Very nice! Looks like yellow starting to come in, do you expect them to lighten up?

[nc0gnet0]

Very nice! Looks like yellow starting to come in, do you expect them to lighten up?

On the tangerine colored ones I expect them to darken a bit, hard to say what the brown based ones will do, the pattern on one appears to be coming in yellow, while on another in blue.

[Len]

I'm enjoying watching this group. So much diversity showing from one brood of fish makes it interesting.

[nc0gnet0]

Week 17

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-30-3.jpg?t=1356847943

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-30-5.jpg?t=1356847951

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-30-9.jpg?t=1356847960

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-30-1.jpg?t=1356847963

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-30-2.jpg?t=1356847968

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-12-30-7.jpg?t=1356847953

[Len]

Looking really good Rick.

[Len]

Looking really good Rick.

[nc0gnet0]

Just noticed and it is too late to edit, the second picture actually belongs in the Batch 2 thread...sorry folks.


Rick

[Eddie]

Looking great Rick!

[Len]

I took the second photo out for you.


Just noticed and it is too late to edit, the second picture actually belongs in the Batch 2 thread...sorry folks.


Rick

[nc0gnet0]

I took the second photo out for you.


Thanks Len! Can you take all references to it out as well? (ie post 72,74, and this one).


Rick

[kimbo]

Very nice looking fish great job.

[nc0gnet0]

Week 19

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/ss-1.jpg?t=1358019624

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0619.jpg?t=1358022364

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0570.jpg?t=1358022362

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0571.jpg?t=1358022375

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0575.jpg?t=1358022375

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0583.jpg?t=1358022390

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0584.jpg?t=1358022388

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0585.jpg?t=1358022401

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0591.jpg?t=1358022400

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_0599.jpg?t=1358022407

[Eddie]

Very nice Rick! Great shape.

[nc0gnet0]

Very nice Rick! Great shape.

Thanks Eddie! While this batch doesn't get nearly the attention that the DA x BD's do, it has become my favorite batch. If you look closely at picture one and a few others, you can see the snakeskin pattern starting to come in nicely on a few of the fish that are 14 bar. A golden yellow snakeskin might be unique.

Rick

[Cosgrovb]

I love the sheen to the scales of these guys. They seem to have a smooth metallic look that is real sharp. I check back every two weeks!

[nc0gnet0]

I love the sheen to the scales of these guys. They seem to have a smooth metallic look that is real sharp. I check back every two weeks!

Yup, the sheen comes from the Mercury which makes them (mercury's) fun to work with if you don't mind culling some fish. It is hard to capture on camera however (flash washes it out). I get the same "sheen" on the white in a previous cross with a mercury that produced these:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/5-1.jpg

[Cosgrovb]

Rick - what is the generic makeup of a Mercury?

Yes those guys are pretty awesome!

[chaoslite]

Yup, the sheen comes from the Mercury which makes them (mercury's) fun to work with if you don't mind culling some fish. It is hard to capture on camera however (flash washes it out). I get the same "sheen" on the white in a previous cross with a mercury that produced these:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/5-1.jpg

I love those fish!!

Mishka

[nc0gnet0]

Week 22

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-2-2-6_zpsd1425762.jpg?t=1359846653

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-2-2-1_zps55d8dec8.jpg?t=1359846662

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-2-2-2_zpsd700dd7e.jpg?t=1359846665

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-2-2-3_zps9622ea8f.jpg?t=1359846671

[Fundulopanchax]

All of your contest batches are great but these youngsters are my favorites!

Ron

[nc0gnet0]

Week 26

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-1-3_zpsed83c353.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-1-4_zps46c41e45.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-1-1_zpsf14b6142.jpg

[John_Nicholson]

Rick....love the fake rock....

-john

[yim11]

Did you take the castle out?

[John_Nicholson]

Apparently the color of it clashed with his barbie's

-john

[yim11]

I told him to go with the volcano for just that reason, but guess some folks gotta learn the hard way...

[John_Nicholson]

You can't tell the boy anything. Lord know we have tried.

-john

[Ryan]

The ghost influence is strong on a couple of those fish (the grey based ones with the bar through the eye). I've always had a soft spot for ghost discus. The shape on all these fish looks awesome. Really interesting cross!

[nc0gnet0]

The ghost influence is strong on a couple of those fish (the grey based ones with the bar through the eye). I've always had a soft spot for ghost discus. The shape on all these fish looks awesome. Really interesting cross!

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-1-5_zps5b56148a.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-1-8_zpsbe42e480.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-1-6_zps0134c096.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-1-7_zpsd1eae194.jpg

Just moved these guys into a larger tank the day the pictures were taken and they were a bit skittish, so I threw the tacky fake rock in there to settle them down a bit. It will be gone in a day or two, was trying to get a better picture of the SS pattern coming in on one of them but she wasn't none to happy about it. hard to capture, seems to wash out with the flash.

[the20tonknuckler]

Beautiful fish. How big are they now? I would love a pair. Intrested in selling any? Lol

[DLFL]

They are really coming along. Fun watching the development.

[Eddie]

Looking good!

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/vroomvroom_zps3a9be3be.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/vroomvroom2_zpsa5fce086.jpg

[Trier20]

The fish look great! I prefer the car over the rock :D

[DLFL]

Fun watching them grow.

[MostlyDiscus]

I know it sounds crazy but I really like the 14 bar fish.

[nc0gnet0]

I know it sounds crazy but I really like the 14 bar fish.

I think Ryan was right and that particular fish is a ghost.

[John_Nicholson]

LOL......Rick you are a genius

-john

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-4_zpsa83a1c63.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-3_zps12becdeb.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-2_zpsa3abeb02.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-1_zpsd19d25f3.jpg

[Ryan]

They keep getting better. I'll take the whole group. ;)

[a volar]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-4_zpsa83a1c63.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-3_zps12becdeb.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-2_zpsa3abeb02.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-3-22-1_zpsd19d25f3.jpg



Rick are all those fish from the same batch? looks like there's a big difference in size, or maybe is the angle of picture?

They look nice!

[nc0gnet0]

Rick are all those fish from the same batch? looks like there's a big difference in size, or maybe is the angle of picture?

There is a big difference in size. Why you ask? ;) A lot has to do way back when I picked my eight. Rather than try to pick the nicest/biggest eight of the batch I opted to represent each of the different phenotypes this cross produced. Many times when you do a cross that produces more than one phenotype, you will find the growth rate of each phenotype to be completly different.

Rick

[a volar]

There is a big difference in size. Why you ask? ;) A lot has to do way back when I picked my eight. Rather than try to pick the nicest/biggest eight of the batch I opted to represent each of the different phenotypes this cross produced. Many times when you do a cross that produces more than one phenotype, you will find the growth rate of each phenotype to be completly different.

Rick

Interesting..... how many phenotype you got from this cross?

[joanstone]

I love this grow out group. They look beautiful as well as unbelievably clean and healthy.

[nc0gnet0]

I decided I like the potential of some of these fish so I went and did this:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/t2-2_zps9d893b9e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/t2_zps03d0e4fe.jpg

[the20tonknuckler]

Love these fish! You do an amazing job. Will fry be available? lol.

[coty]

rick, amazing fish like always!!!! just love your fish.....

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-19_zpse7d579a2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-17_zps526d58d9.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-14_zpsf64b364e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-8_zpsa346066e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-7_zps58162130.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-4_zps59f855c6.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-3_zps838e70ee.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-2_zpsa8d1b5f9.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-1_zpscc79b527.jpg



http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-13_zps0c725f07.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-12_zpsc1ff132a.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-11_zpsb879471b.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-10_zps44b4a517.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-6-9_zps0a50bad9.jpg

[Cosgrovb]

Awesome!

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/pbss_zps6579abf9.jpg

[the20tonknuckler]

Rick, I absolutely love this cross.

[DLFL]

They are very nice Rick.

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-13_zps0c4c6817.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-12_zps07998258.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-11_zps1a6e375f.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-10_zps992f9e0f.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-9_zpsa71ac617.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-8_zpsd5751099.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-14_zpseab0a47e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-6_zps3c2d4c1a.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-5_zpsa4bf5ca3.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-4_zps6f1a3464.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-3_zps1ffc7af1.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-2_zps829f552f.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-4-28-1_zps77001333.jpg

[DLFL]

Are they as pink as they appear here?

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-1_zpsc518f45c.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-4_zps4323784d.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-5_zps9ef55908.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-6_zps78b77aa2.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-7_zps1ca0dd72.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-8_zpsb57569a3.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-9_zps039ef400.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-10_zpse5c80e63.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-11_zps1d23d7f7.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-12_zpsaa230555.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-13_zps33b9a373.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-12-14_zps6b2a865e.jpg

[Trier20]

That SS seems to be filling in nicely with color and pattern.

[the20tonknuckler]

Good looking fish. I just love your crosses. I would love a group of these.

[DLFL]

Pretty fish! From the photos it looks like the solid reds do not have any yellow in them. Do they show any yellow that you can see?

[nc0gnet0]

Are they as pink as they appear here?

The best I can explain the color is more of a peach, they all have this "sheen" to them that is almost impossible to capture on camera.


Pretty fish! From the photos it looks like the solid reds do not have any yellow in them. Do they show any yellow that you can see?

I can't say any of them qualify as solid red. More a solid peach. Interstingly enought a few of the solids are 14 bar fish as well. There is two that appears to want to be yellow, and I have been debating for some time now as to what to feed these fish in terms of color enhancing foods. I have opted to feed Al's Bio-pigment plus FDBW and concentrate on the orange of the SS's. This very well could turn the yellow fish orange.

One of the drawbacks of the compettion (albeit a small one) is I cannot seperate the batch into seperate groups (ie yellow and orange) and feed accordingly.


Rick

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-1_zps938a67bf.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-3_zpse57f7a5c.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-4_zpscf11cd2b.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-5_zps4d317b41.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-6_zpse8e18fea.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-8_zpsf4d4a8c7.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-9_zps95163edf.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-10_zps9bafad0d.jpg

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-13a_zps585c0513.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-12a_zps4fa6f058.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-11a_zps16f9f253.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-10a_zps44567770.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-9a_zpsa5d6242a.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-8a_zps7b055813.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-7a_zps7c293f66.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-6a_zps47b598bb.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-1a_zps9207fb08.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-5a_zpsccf1bcdc.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-4a_zps496a1fb1.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-3a_zpsa08b71d5.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-2a_zpsa571f2b6.jpg

[nc0gnet0]

Ok been feeding Al's Bio worms to these guys for a couple of weeks, what do you think?


Before

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-5-27-10a_zps44567770.jpg



After
http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/bio3_zps686b0bb1.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/bio2_zps8448ed0d.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/bio1_zpsbd2cfb19.jpg

[Wjmulder]

Wow! Colors are popping!

[Texas76]

Great batch. Can you please tell me where you get Al's Bio worms?

Thanks for sharing.

[rdiscus]

Here's the link Al's Bio worms (http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?103133-Introducing-New-Product-quot-Bio-Pigment-Plus-quot-Freeze-Dried-AUSTRALIAN-Blackworms)

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1532_zpse43b6921.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1537_zpsb3292596.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1540_zps5bc45933.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1542_zps486bd6a9.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1543_zps0b121f00.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1544_zpseb0bfb45.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1552_zps52cc6a58.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_1554_zps50c0edcd.jpg

[LizStreithorst]

That solid SS makes my heart beat fast.

[chaoslite]

Love these guys!

Mishka

[Eddie]

That solid SS makes my heart beat fast.

I'm with Liz, nice solid snake!

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-1_zps07ef80d3.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-2_zps59c7c9c8.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-3_zpsaeb5a845.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-4_zps0943e36c.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-5_zpse88de746.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-6_zpsb2c6bb70.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-7_zpsefe1e6ae.jpg

[Cosgrovb]

That snakeskin leads the pack. What a terrific fish. Of the other non-contestant fish how many others have similar coloration? In other words, what percentage of the batch had this unique snakeskin pattern?

[nc0gnet0]

That snakeskin leads the pack. What a terrific fish. Of the other non-contestant fish how many others have similar coloration? In other words, what percentage of the batch had this unique snakeskin pattern?

Which Snakeskin are you refering to? The orange striated, the solid orange, or the ghost SS? Hard to say how many of the other non-contest fish developed the pattern as I sold most of them at an early age. I do actually have two of each of those in the contest (striated, solid, ghost, and 9 bar).

Rick

[Cosgrovb]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/15/y4u2epy3.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/15/uze3y3yr.jpg

[Eddie]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/15/y4u2epy3.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/15/uze3y3yr.jpg

Yes

[nc0gnet0]

Well yesterday I made note of the fact I had pairs forming in two of my three contest batches. Today I had eggs in both of these batches (batch 1 and batch 3). here is the proof:


http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/contestspawn_zps82bb7dbe.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b2-7-15-13_zpsf0298354.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b2-7-15-12_zps4ff42ab8.jpg

Birth date of these fish was 8/30 which makes them 10 1/2 months old. The brown SS is female, and I am 99% certain the PB SS is male (got a good look at the tubes).

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-7-15-10_zps8b7c15b9.jpg

[Cosgrovb]

I decided I like the potential of some of these fish so I went and did this:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/t2-2_zps9d893b9e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/t2_zps03d0e4fe.jpg

How many of this batch are 14 bar?

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3-11_zps191dcdb7.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3-10_zps6fb92c51.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3-3_zpsaa1e88e1.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3-7_zps9c917c85.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3-4_zpsfc2af6fb.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3-9_zps4c5aad5c.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3-5_zps14fbf717.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-3_zpsdca2c771.jpg

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b1-8-11-1_zpsda761388.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-11-2_zps5a04e0cb.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-11-3_zps8987277a.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-8-11-1_zps1c047e5e.jpg

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-9-2-1_zpsab963b4e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-9-2-2_zps20a08e7d.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-9-2-3_zps1b3c55a5.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-9-2-5_zps3994b35f.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-9-2-7_zpsf7ff9a4c.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-9-2-10_zps189fe6fd.jpg

[DLFL]

Nice

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-6-7_zpsc45fae42.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-6-6_zps426914d1.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-6-4_zps65368b4a.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-6-3_zpsd42b13a8.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-6-2_zpsb4f66c06.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-6-1_zps1ce45cef.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-10-6-5_zps81a6d7bc.jpg

[John_Nicholson]

Well maybe the contest should be extended until the eggs hatch and the babies are raised...LOL.

-john

[nc0gnet0]

Well maybe the contest should be extended until the eggs hatch and the babies are raised...LOL.

-john

LOL. Last man standing wins.......

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/6_zpse7f0127d.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/7_zps90e3a181.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b2-10-19-8_zpsbdcf5920.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b2-10-19-9_zpse736fbaa.jpg

[luca1979]

Nice couple. I'm curious how they will look young fish to 6 month

[nc0gnet0]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-26-1_zpsc3d52ac6.jpg
http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-26-2_zps353e96da.jpg

[Discusdude7]

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-26-1_zpsc3d52ac6.jpg
http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3-11-26-2_zps353e96da.jpg

Rick,
Did most of the fry end up looking like these or were these ones "the few gems" that you got from this cross?

[nc0gnet0]

Ric
k,
Did most of the fry end up looking like these or were these ones "the few gems" that you got from this cross?

Well, not quite sure how to answer that, "gem" would be a personal preference type of question IMHO. I did this time focus on a few fish in my photo's that I did not previously pay much attention too in the past. The 14 bar brown based blue I would consider one of my favorites, this time I did not post a picture of it yet, as well as two of the 14 bar pb SS's.

In regards to these two fish, that solid orange is actually a pretty nice fish, something I hope to pair up with another like it and work on its shape in future generations. Achieving a solid orange fish in which the orange stays consistant into the gill head region is not that common. The other fish, a nine bar pigeon blood, is losing it's pattern now as it matures, and might end up looking or being a white butterfly with orange fins/highlights.

-Rick

[coty]

like always, looking great rick......

[Cosgrovb]

Rick -- I continue to return to this thread to look at this fish on a regular basis. Absolutely awesome! I never would've guessed it would've come from the mother and father. Simply awesome!!!!!

My winner of the competition!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/28/unasuqe5.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1)

[nc0gnet0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gBzJGckMYO4

[nc0gnet0]

Female

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3finalm_zpse4a09e4a.jpg

Male

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3finalm2_zpsa097c513.jpg

[nc0gnet0]

took some pictures of this batch before I moved the fish around last night, but this batch's pictures didn't turn out so swell. Here is one of the finalist I picked for this batch which I allocated to a breeding tank with a new male:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3final2_zps156af964.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3final3_zps634a04a4.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3ff_zpsdab469db.jpg

Newly introduced mate:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/b3ff2_zps603c55ee.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/bffpb_zpsef484d71.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_2198_zps596f579e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_2189_zps3d23c840.jpg

^ fish on right

[nc0gnet0]

starting the next chapter, just got done laying a nice batch of eggs:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/newspawn_zpscad8136d.jpg

[M3ATpl0w]

starting the next chapter, just got done laying a nice batch of eggs:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/newspawn_zpscad8136d.jpg

Cant wait to see what comes from these!
Dig all your projects, you must have a helluva fishroom!

[nc0gnet0]

got wiggs!

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/blues_zps2a71c7de.jpg

[William Palumbo]

Sweet fish for sure Rick!...All the best with the fry...Bill

[nc0gnet0]

Thanks Bill,

Not bad seeing how 5 days ago she was laying on a slab getting measured, then introduced to a new tank with a male she had never seen before......five days later....wiggs!


-Rick

[Nick Klimkowski]

Thanks Bill,

Not bad seeing how 5 days ago she was laying on a slab getting measured, then introduced to a new tank with a male she had never seen before......five days later....wiggs!


-Rick

lol...Rick good luck with the new wiggs.

[pastry]

I swear, Rick, your threads are definitely my favorite. Mad scientist to the bone and do a damn good job documenting all of this. love that blue with the underlying halo.

[Craigmax]

I agree completely. Two of these would compliment my Fire Reds and Red Scribbles from Josie. If you plan on selling any I'll take 2 please.


I swear, Rick, your threads are definitely my favorite. Mad scientist to the bone and do a damn good job documenting all of this. love that blue with the underlying halo.

[Cosgrovb]

Rick -- how would you describe these fish? Are they 14 bar blue ghosts?


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[lhalliday]

Very inspiration thread. Lovely fish.

[nc0gnet0]

Well, it took a few trys (3) but we got things right so far this go around. Had to strip down the tank and sterilize everything. Not sure if that is why this batch was succesfull attaching or not, but, the parents always did there part ( I was losing the fry right at free swimming). As to if the first few batches were just weak, or the tank cleaning did the trick I am not sure, but at any rate:

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_2298_zpsa699c86a.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_2299_zps9e7ea450.jpg

[Cosgrovb]

Is the male a scorpion?


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[nc0gnet0]

[QUOTE=Cosgrovb;1055693]Is the male a scorpion?


Blue SS

[Darren's Discus]

Very nice.