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  • Charlyc11
    Silver Member

    • Sep 2021
    • 1979
    • Jarrettsville, MD
    • Carlos AKA Chuck

    Headstanding Wild Discus

    DISEASE QUESTIONNAIRE


    Problem

    1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started them?

    I noticed the issue after Danny made a comment on my fish room video


    2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).

    Headstanding most of the time but still straitening when approached and eating a little. Some bloating noticed.


    3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.

    Added Epsom salts to whole tank but moved to hospital tank with salt and Metro, will switch to Kanaplex when it arrives by mail.

    Tank/Water

    4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.

    90 gallons 8 wild discus

    5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).

    75% 2 times a week

    6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?

    7 months, bare bottom 24" deep

    7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.

    Well water Aged water 24 hrs. min PH .2 swing

    8. What type/brand water conditioner do you use? Do you add it to the tank or aging barrel? How much do you use?

    None. Butt I add 8 grams of Seachem Alkaline buffer per 55 gallons of well water

    9. Parameters and water source;

    Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.

    - temp 83F

    - ph 7

    - ammonia reading

    - nitrite reading 0

    - nitrate reading <5

    What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.

    - well water X

    10. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.

    No

    11. Please tell us what you feed your fish and how often. This can be critical information for solving the problem so be as specific as you can.

    Live Black worms = only a few times
    Live white worms = Only a few times
    Frozen blood worms = almost every night
    FDBW = a few times
    Vibrabites = every morning (feeder while I am at work)


    12. In
    clude any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.

    Head Standing.jpg
    13. What do you believe is the problem? ( many times hobbyists asking for help have already formed some opinions or sought help elsewhere. Being upfront here will save time and effort on the part of members trying to help.)

    Could be infection due to the live worm feeding.

    Just Call Me Chuck​
  • Charlyc11
    Silver Member

    • Sep 2021
    • 1979
    • Jarrettsville, MD
    • Carlos AKA Chuck

    #2
    Today he is a little better here is a pic from my surveillance camera from just now.

    morning view.jpg
    Just Call Me Chuck​

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    • jeep
      Administrator
      • Jul 2002
      • 7484
      • O.P. KS
      • Brian

      #3
      It's possible it could be from the black worms. I've never had an issue with blackworms, but when I did feed them I rinsed them twice per day and made sure to remove any white or dead ones.

      Can you look back in time at some photo's and narrow the timeframe down a bit? This may help determine when this began.

      I'm sure you know what to look for in a swim bladder issue, but in case you don't, look for a bulge just below the lateral line in the mid section of the body.

      If this is becoming an infection, you chose the right med. Kanamycin is the best for internal bacterial issues. I would also give it salt at 4-5TBS per 10g now and throughout the kana treatment. Kanamycin can be used well past the recommended dosage if necessary.

      Good for you and Danny to catch this early!!

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      • Charlyc11
        Silver Member

        • Sep 2021
        • 1979
        • Jarrettsville, MD
        • Carlos AKA Chuck

        #4
        It does have a bulge that's what I meant by bloat. The last time I fed blackworms was last week but since then white worms and frozen bloodworms. Kanaflex will be here today but I am picking up pure Kanamycin but I will order today online.
        Just Call Me Chuck​

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        • jeep
          Administrator
          • Jul 2002
          • 7484
          • O.P. KS
          • Brian

          #5
          A bad swim bladder will show a defined bulge, almost like a small marble under the skin, and higher in the midsection just under the spine. It'll become more oblong as it progresses. Bloat is more swollen and rounded and lower in the stomach area and can eventually look like a golf ball. If the bladder is going bad, the fish will head stand while resting and perk up when you approach and it'll be apparent that the fish is struggling to maintain its balance when righting itself. It's just a still photo, but yours doesn't look to be head standing from the bladder, which is good because bad swim bladders cannot be cured. Finger crossed!

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          • Charlyc11
            Silver Member

            • Sep 2021
            • 1979
            • Jarrettsville, MD
            • Carlos AKA Chuck

            #6
            OK got the Kanaflex today so I did a 90% water change added salt and added the medication. He's eating a little and not headstanding. I don't know if I should have continued the Epsom salt instead of the rock salt.

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            Last edited by Charlyc11; 06-04-2025, 04:32 PM.
            Just Call Me Chuck​

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            • jwcarlson
              Homesteader

              • Jan 2022
              • 1727
              • Iowa
              • Jacob

              #7
              He looks pretty good, Chuck. Hope he continues to improve!

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              • danotaylor
                Registered Member + MVP
                • May 2018
                • 3970
                • Aussie living in Cincy
                • Daniel

                #8
                Chuck you can use Epsom & rock salt simultaneously!

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                • Charlyc11
                  Silver Member

                  • Sep 2021
                  • 1979
                  • Jarrettsville, MD
                  • Carlos AKA Chuck

                  #9
                  Originally posted by danotaylor
                  Chuck you can use Epsom & rock salt simultaneously!
                  good to know
                  Just Call Me Chuck​

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                  • Charlyc11
                    Silver Member

                    • Sep 2021
                    • 1979
                    • Jarrettsville, MD
                    • Carlos AKA Chuck

                    #10
                    I been noticing that his eyes look a bit pop out. I guess it's part of the infection. I guess I should keep going with Kanamycin for a few more days.
                    Just Call Me Chuck​

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                    • Second Hand Pat
                      Administrator and MVP Dec.2015
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 33694
                      • Central Florida
                      • Pat

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Charlyc11
                      I been noticing that his eyes look a bit pop out. I guess it's part of the infection. I guess I should keep going with Kanamycin for a few more days.
                      That doesn't sound good Chuck, how many days into the Kanamycin are you?
                      Pat
                      Your Discus are talking to you...Are you listening

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                      • Charlyc11
                        Silver Member

                        • Sep 2021
                        • 1979
                        • Jarrettsville, MD
                        • Carlos AKA Chuck

                        #12
                        7 days do you think it's the meds? Am I overdoing every day with water change?

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                        Last edited by Charlyc11; 06-12-2025, 04:19 PM.
                        Just Call Me Chuck​

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                        • Second Hand Pat
                          Administrator and MVP Dec.2015
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 33694
                          • Central Florida
                          • Pat

                          #13
                          Hi Chuck, I had this happen to one of my wilds (a while ago) and I had to cull it. Meds didn't seem to help. I hope this is not the case however but I do not feel good about your situation. I had been treating with meds also.
                          Pat
                          Your Discus are talking to you...Are you listening

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                          • Charlyc11
                            Silver Member

                            • Sep 2021
                            • 1979
                            • Jarrettsville, MD
                            • Carlos AKA Chuck

                            #14
                            I stopped the meds for now just salt.
                            Just Call Me Chuck​

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                            • Charlyc11
                              Silver Member

                              • Sep 2021
                              • 1979
                              • Jarrettsville, MD
                              • Carlos AKA Chuck

                              #15
                              I tried another round of meds with no good results. I think today is the day to euthanize the poor thing. He eats very little and stays in a corner head standing.
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                              Just Call Me Chuck​

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