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  • Ardan
    Registered Member
    • May 2002
    • 5605
    • Wisconsin

    Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

    Possible Causes of Breathing Problems
    If the fish is breathing rapidly and it is not do to stress or fright,
    then it is possible that not enough oxygen is reaching the
    bloodstream. Some of the possible causes are as follows.
    1. possible ammonia or nitrite in the water, test them, if high, do
    a water change with "good water", check filters to make sure all pickup tubes are open, not pinched and that impellers are working.
    2. Is the temperature high? Oxygen levels are lower in higher
    temperatures.
    3. Is the fish scraping against objects?(flashing) This may
    indicate a parasite on the gills, possibly flukes
    4. Are they only using one gill? This often indicates gill flukes.
    5. Have you added medication recently? Formalin and formalin
    based products (rid ich, quick cure etc) depletes oxygen in the
    water. Add aeration/turbulence.
    6. PH Shock. Has the ph changed dramatically (maybe after a
    water change)?Is the ph stable? (does it change when tested
    at the tap compared to 24 hours later in a bucket?) IF the ph
    has changed dramatically, move the fish to better water or do a
    water change with good water.
    7.Did you just do a water change? Is the fish hanging below
    the water surface or near the filter? Is the fish lying on the
    bottom of the tank? If so, there is possible a toxin in the water
    (or ph shock).
    A. Use a dechlorinator/chloramine detoxifier (like prime)
    B. Do a water change with good water (stable ph, ph same as
    what the fish is used to, and no chlorine, no ammonia, no
    nitrite)
    C. Move the fish to good water. (another aquarium, or into a
    bucket of good water from another aquarium or "good water"
    from the water source)
    8. Is the fish darting about the tank? If you just added
    medication, this may indicate a medication intolerance. Move
    the fish to new water or do a water change. (50% or more if
    necessary)
    9. Bacterial or fungal gill disease. Are the gill filaments hanging
    out from behind the gill plates? Do they have white strands or
    cottony growth on them?
    10. Added by Dissident:
    Are discus hanging near the bottom very slow breathing, and lathargic?
    -Possible CO2 Toxic Shock
    +Turn of CO2 injection system and airate water to remove excess CO2, this will cause PH to jump back up. Up swing is easier for the fish than the Ph swing down. Monitor Ph and Kh to determine CO2 levels.


    hth
    Ardan
    Last edited by Ardan; 03-30-2006, 05:13 AM.
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  • AmberC
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    • Apr 2004
    • 3276
    • Md

    #2
    Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

    Good post Ardan!
    Amber
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    • Ardan
      Registered Member
      • May 2002
      • 5605
      • Wisconsin

      #3
      Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

      Thank you
      Ardan
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      Maker of unique hand crafted creations

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      • tribalmush
        Registered Member
        • Jun 2005
        • 17

        #4
        Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

        The only thing that is unclear atleast to me is;

        9. Bacterial or fungal gill disease. Are the gill filaments hanging
        out from behind the gill plates? Do they have white strands or
        cottony growth on them?
        hth
        Ardan

        Is the answer to this riddle hth? does that mean hole in the head ? Please explain, thanks!

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        • Ardan
          Registered Member
          • May 2002
          • 5605
          • Wisconsin

          #5
          Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

          hth just means " hope this helps"

          the other things listed are just signs or symptoms of a possible problem.

          Ardan
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          Maker of unique hand crafted creations

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          • Jarrod
            Registered Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 1250
            • Eagle Point Oregon

            #6
            Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

            Excellent post Ardan!..
            Jarrod
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            • Ardan
              Registered Member
              • May 2002
              • 5605
              • Wisconsin

              #7
              Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

              Thanks Jarrod
              Ardan
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              Maker of unique hand crafted creations

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              • Dissident
                Registered Member
                • Jul 2002
                • 840
                • Piedmont - NC

                #8
                Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

                1: Are discus hanging near the bottom very slow breathing, and lathargic?
                -Possible CO2 Toxic Shock
                +Turn of CO2 injection system and airate water to remove excess CO2, this will cause PH to jump back up. Up swing is easier for the fish than the Ph swing down. Monitor Ph and Kh to determine CO2 levels.



                If you want to add this to your orgional post and delete this post i won't hold it against you
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                • Ardan
                  Registered Member
                  • May 2002
                  • 5605
                  • Wisconsin

                  #9
                  Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

                  Good points! I won't delete your post though
                  I will add it in.

                  Thanks
                  Ardan
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                  • Kindredspirit
                    Registered Member
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 10345
                    • Sacramento, Cali ~

                    #10

                    Hey Ardan ~ You must live, eat, and breath information! You work so hard on Sd and Sc, I swear ~


                    This was very informative ~ I learn so much from you on a continuing basis~I wanted to say also that the way you title each thread, makes it easier for one to find what they seek ~ as opposed to searching this entire forum!


                    Your A Good Man Charlie Brown ~


                    Marie ~

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                    • Ardan
                      Registered Member
                      • May 2002
                      • 5605
                      • Wisconsin

                      #11
                      Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

                      Thanks Marie
                      I try to pass on what I learn, but its great when I learn something new too. And I really like it when members can add something or maybe an experience of theirs
                      I remember before the internet, how difficult it was to learn things, try to find the right book.....
                      But since the internet and good people helping me, I figure I can help others too by using the internet and these sites
                      Ardan
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                      • Jarrod
                        Registered Member
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 1250
                        • Eagle Point Oregon

                        #12
                        Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

                        I have to put my 2 cents in here as well...Marie you said exactly what I have been thinking since I first found this this forum and started reading the posts..
                        Ardan is without a doubt in my mind is SIMPLY amazing! That man (at least I'm assuming Ardan is male lol) has given answers to alot of my questions that I had and didn't get the chance to ask! All just by answering someones question in a way and with info above and beyond what was asked. That in itself is is priceless IMHO... so Ardan I just wish to publicly say THANK YOU for the soooo extensive amount of help and information and help that you give so willingly and often. And Marie I want to thank you as well for that post and bringing this subject up...for it is something that I feel should be addressed and not only for Ardan but for all the Mods and staff of Simply for without them and all the other members us newbies would wind up hiding in the corner or lying flat on the bottom...Thank you again both of you and to all the Mods and members who make this forum what it is and that being a place of friendship,fellowshipa and a place to help each of us feed and make our addiction one of joy and happiness. All of this long rambling post truly comes from the heart and is just how I feel about you all. Thank you again for everything. For IMHO you are all
                        Jarrod
                        Discus an ADDICTION but at least a legal one with no KNOWN cure! 2 -55 gal 1 -29 gal 1-25 gal 6 Sunshines,2 Candy Apple Reds,4 Scribbled Reds,4 White Diamonds

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                        • Doug A
                          Registered Member
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 406
                          • Roanoke, Virginia

                          #13
                          Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

                          Marie and Jarrod said it better that I could have.

                          Your a good man Ardan!!! Lots of helpful info.
                          Doug
                          When your world seems cold, you've got to let your spirit take control and let your soul shine.

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                          • Ardan
                            Registered Member
                            • May 2002
                            • 5605
                            • Wisconsin

                            #14
                            Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

                            Thanks Doug and Jarrod
                            Ardan
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                            • aussiejas
                              Registered Member
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 54

                              #15
                              Re: Possible Causes of Breathing Problems

                              cheers for tha info ardan. one thing i have to ask, if ive just treated for internal parasite is it to much for my discus to treat for gill flukes straight after or should i leave for a couple of days? (im very new to keeping discus)

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