Need some help with new discus

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

I really think your seller mis-advised you with the copper.
If it had been me I would have tried metronidazole.

I would suggest lots of water changes and hope for the best on the weak one.

its difficult to diagnose a health issue remotely but there are certain medications and treatments that we can use for various symptoms. Alot of it is just things we learn along the way.Unfortunately theres also alot of things that people will recommend that are just not appropriate for the symptoms but its something they "used successfully" before.

Thanks for the kind words totally agreed with what you have said as its hard to diagnose whats the issues first & treatment might be wrong. Yes Im doing all I can to make him better lets hope he recovers with these plenty of water changes

[brewmaster15]

Re: Need some help with new discus

Sad to say copper treatment improved him a bit, now he is back to his old self, lost a lot of weight eating very little when I feed others, still hugging the tank not sure if he will make it

I really think your seller mis-advised you with the copper.
If it had been me I would have tried metronidazole.

I would suggest lots of water changes and hope for the best on the weak one.

its difficult to diagnose a health issue remotely but there are certain medications and treatments that we can use for various symptoms. Alot of it is just things we learn along the way.Unfortunately theres also alot of things that people will recommend that are just not appropriate for the symptoms but its something they "used successfully" before.

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

No I wouldnt say fin rot .. but seeing the last set of pics your recent copper treatment might be the culprit.I have read that too much copper interferes with calcium and bone growth. Its a guess as possible. Are you still treating with copper?..If not the fins should repair with clean water. I didnt see this fin erosion in the pics from a month ago.

I should add that theres also a chance there was some organ damage and the fish are not processing vitamins and minerals as a result. Thats also associated with copper .

Reference..
https://fishhistopathology.com/?p=2507

Appreciate your great insight in to this issue. Yes that single fish was in copper treatment but it was in a separate hospital tank, not my main display tank & Zero chance of its content getting in contact with this water

Its been more than 20 days & I moved him slowly in to my main tank with plenty of water changes every two days

Sad to say copper treatment improved him a bit, now he is back to his old self, lost a lot of weight eating very little when I feed others, still hugging the tank not sure if he will make it

You think this issue is linked with that treatment? I only noticed yesterday these broken fins of those above pics of two juveniles. All 5 fish looking great health wise, eating well I dont see any other issue apart from aggression from 3 big discus during feeding time. They bully the small ones here and there & they run away rubbing the bottom when they try to peck sometimes

Shall I increase my water change to daily if that help to resolve these I will do it gladly or this issue need any specific treatment? Any more advice will be great as I'm super confused

Note : There is black fungus growing on driftwood I cleaned it twice but still it keeps reappearing. I read in many places this won't effect the fishes just need a clarification on this

[brewmaster15]

Re: Need some help with new discus

No I wouldnt say fin rot .. but seeing the last set of pics your recent copper treatment might be the culprit.I have read that too much copper interferes with calcium and bone growth. Its a guess as possible. Are you still treating with copper?..If not the fins should repair with clean water. I didnt see this fin erosion in the pics from a month ago.

I should add that theres also a chance there was some organ damage and the fish are not processing vitamins and minerals as a result. Thats also associated with copper .

Reference..

https://fishhistopathology.com/?p=2507

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

The fin damage sometimes happens when they are dragging it across substrate or a dirty tank floor. They get a local fungus and it breaks off.. might be the cause...usually grows back with time and clean water. The dorsal fin looks like bullying. Fin rot is possible but its hard to say from one pic.That you see aggression probably means its from bullying. Are any other fish fins damaged?

al

Thanks for a quick reply al. Yes I can see them scratch the bottom gravel often looking for food even though I feed them tons, I keep the tank clean I suck up all the waste & debris as far I could after doing a water change every 2 days, Just turned on lights to take two pics just to show the bottom area of the tank. I see damage in those 2 small ones now same break off in that front long fin, rest 3 discus in other side of the tank which are like medium adults dont see any issues with them all looks ok mate




You think this is fin rot? Im already worried I want to maintain them pristine without issues. Sorry for average quality pictures I share better ones after I get back dslr from work place

Regards
jag

[brewmaster15]

Re: Need some help with new discus

The fin damage sometimes happens when they are dragging it across substrate or a dirty tank floor. They get a local fungus and it breaks off.. might be the cause...usually grows back with time and clean water. The dorsal fin looks like bullying. Fin rot is possible but its hard to say from one pic.That you see aggression probably means its from bullying. Are any other fish fins damaged?

al

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

Hello guys hope everyone here is doing great, posting back after almost a month now. Lots have changed in my tank added another 3 discus in to the tank now total is 6 in the tank (2 juvenile 4 medium sized ones) + 12 rummy nose tetras in as well with them and everything is going great with lots of water changes & all parameters looks normal. All of them eat normal in fact eating like crazy lol

But today morning in small discus, pelvic fin got a break off not sure when it happened just noticed when I have turned on room lights unable to take pictures of them with aquarium lights on as they just go hide & also noticed a bit damage in dorsol fin of the big guy Im not sure what is this.




Added pics above is this any disease I need to worry about? or just damage with bullying/hitting the stuff in tank as I can see them pecking often during feeding time?? Any advise will be greatly appreciated

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

Im sorry but that makes no sense to me. Copper is used exclusively for external parasites. Your fish has no symptoms of these.


your first post you said

Petshops rely on copper alot because they are always getting in new fish with parasites. This doesnt sound like the seller is a breeder..

You mean overdosing the already stressed fish? If Im not wrong on what you said. Yes I have no clue as well as all other discus I got from same person is doing great in my main tank 5 all of them

[brewmaster15]

Re: Need some help with new discus

Thankyou for a quick reply, I just got sacred after it spilled over my fingers. Yes he personally seen the fish and started the medication, told me fish is in stress & seen many cases like this in his breeding farm & asked me to treat it with this medication first, yes I'm monitoring the dosage per instruction & discus looks same no additional symptoms apart from not taking any food

Im sorry but that makes no sense to me. Copper is used exclusively for external parasites. Your fish has no symptoms of these.


your first post you said

Ordered 4 pairs 3-3.5 inches from a local pet shop & able to get hold of only one yesterday, seller told only two came to him & one of them didnt make it, its coming from like 500km on logistics transit from a different city here

Petshops rely on copper alot because they are always getting in new fish with parasites. This doesnt sound like the seller is a breeder..

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

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thats a copper based medicine. At the amount you got I would not worry about you...but I am pretty concerned that the seller has you treating the fish thats not eating with copper. Copper is used for external parasites and is a very risky medication. You need to monitor concentration carefully . Its really easy to overdose copper and for what its worth I didnt really see anything here that would warrant it. Watch that fish for stress.

hth,
Al

Thankyou for a quick reply, I just got sacred after it spilled over my fingers. Yes he personally seen the fish and started the medication, told me fish is in stress & seen many cases like this in his breeding farm & asked me to treat it with this medication first, yes I'm monitoring the dosage per instruction & discus looks same no additional symptoms apart from not taking any food

[brewmaster15]

Re: Need some help with new discus

I really know this is a dumb question. I have to quarantine the guy who is refusing to eat and treating him with PARACIDOL fW after advise from discus breeder from whom I got the fish.

While pouring the medicine it flipped and fell all over my fingers. I have washed it off with plenty of water/soap. Is there anything I need to worry about

Thanks

thats a copper based medicine. At the amount you got I would not worry about you...but I am pretty concerned that the seller has you treating the fish thats not eating with copper. Copper is used for external parasites and is a very risky medication. You need to monitor concentration carefully . Its really easy to overdose copper and for what its worth I didnt really see anything here that would warrant it. Watch that fish for stress.

hth,
Al

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

I really know this is a dumb question. I have to quarantine the guy who is refusing to eat and treating him with PARACIDOL fW after advise from discus breeder from whom I got the fish.

While pouring the medicine it flipped and fell all over my fingers. I have washed it off with plenty of water/soap. Is there anything I need to worry about

Thanks

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

Yes clean the tank just before you leave. No food till you get back. They will be fine! Still waiting for those pictures .

Yes I will do a good water change on day of leaving. Just cant catch every one on phone those red discus are amazing so active & eating like crazy. Still worried about the shy guy as you can see from Pics yet to start eating just ate 2 pellets in almost 6 days now since came to the tank, 2 guys just dart away to hide behind wood/plant when ever I go near lol

[darklord34]

Re: Need some help with new discus

I would water change the day you leave, not feed for the 3 days you're away, especially since the eating has been sporadic you don't want uneaten food sitting in your tank. Feed & water change and on the day you return. They'll be fine

Yes uneaten food in tank is never good. Will do a 80% water change before leaving thanks

[Iminit]

Re: Need some help with new discus

Yes clean the tank just before you leave. No food till you get back. They will be fine! Still waiting for those pictures .