Steve b's new begining diary.

[brewmaster15]

Steve,
I would use the metro you have still. If the flubendazole is factory sealed it may be good but if open no dice.

I went on amazon Uk.
Levamisole dewormer




Formalin Malachite green



Kordon Methylene blue



These plus your metro should cover all the bases

[steve b]

Thanks for that, all my meds are 10 years out of date, that's the last time I had to treat a fish!! So will ditch all the stuff and replace it with these....


So use 2000 (FMG) 1st, Hexamita 2nd, & Ndx (Levamisole wormer) 3rd. What do you think?

[brewmaster15]

Thats a sound plan. Just take your time between treatments.

[steve b]

Going to use my tank that takes 60l, question: How many fish should I QT in 60l, will be using a large sponge filter. Add extra air and flow from a small power head to give a bit of flow. What temp should I aim for? 28c, or lower?

[brewmaster15]

6o liter is 15 gals.. assuming its a long? .. You can keep 4 - 6 young adult rams in that for qT.. but they will need alot of cover.. I use bricks and submerged pothos to create safe spot and territory markers.. They will chase each other alot.. Eventually though you will have a pair form and its going to need to be moved out.

I keep my rams exactly like Discus Steve.

For filtration.. I dont think you need a powerhead for flow unless you couple with a sponge. I think you would be better off using a few air driven sponge filters as you will then be able to move a sponge as a pair forms to the pairs tank.

[steve b]

Thanks, would never thought of putting a lot of cover in the QT tank. Whats pothos? would pipe sections,1/2 pots and surface hanging wool mops work just as well? The tank I was thinking of using is 30x12x15 but I have access to 36x12x15 (just need to remove gravel) 34x18x22 or a 35x18x24.
Was thinking of the power head for water movement as when I was using a sponge it seem to have dead spots and thought the meds need to mix well in the tank.

[brewmaster15]

pothos is a terrestrial houseplant vine.. you can root it in the tank but it can also stay completely submerged for months.. sucks up nitrates and tolerates low light...

[steve b]

Sounds great, cuttings ordered......

[steve b]

Two sponges set up with Ammonia added to 3ppm today. Water change for my 5' and the 60l tank getting ready for QT. The floating plants I bought 4 months ago doing very well, 3 tanks now covered (Limnobium laevigatum) Waiting for the meds to arrive and the pothos cuttings.
Got to now find some good German Blue Rams for sale to try again.....

[steve b]

Meds arrived, plants arrived pothos n'joy, just need to find the fish when the filters been cycled.

[brewmaster15]

Looking Good so far Steve.

[steve b]

Filters reducing NH4, have now an increase in NO2, going good so far 5 days. Bummer, LFS has some very nice Rams in, i'm not ready yet.

Al how does this sound....60l tank amounts as Esha instructions. Water will be about Ph7 TDS 100 @28c KH4 GH6 approx.

Day 1-3 50% w/c a day
Day 4 Esha 2000 16 drops
Day 5 Esha 2000 8 drops
Day 6 Esha 2000 8 drops
Day 7-13 50% w/c a day
Day 14 Esha Hexamita 16 drops
Day 15 Esha Hexamita 8 drops
Day 16 Esha Hexamita 8 drops
Day 17-23 50% w/c a day
Day 24 Esha Ndx 60 drops
Day 25 Wipe down/clean, 50% w/c

Makes only about 4 weeks. If they have anything would it no be better to treat asap? Leaving a week of 50% w/c's after each treatment.
The wormer Ndx only says treat day 1 then w/c or filter through Carbon so fish are only in the medication for a day?

[brewmaster15]

Filters reducing NH4, have now an increase in NO2, going good so far 5 days. Bummer, LFS has some very nice Rams in, i'm not ready yet.

Al how does this sound....60l tank amounts as Esha instructions. Water will be about Ph7 TDS 100 @28c KH4 GH6 approx.

Day 1-3 50% w/c a day
Day 4 Esha 2000 16 drops
Day 5 Esha 2000 8 drops
Day 6 Esha 2000 8 drops
Day 7-13 50% w/c a day
Day 14 Esha Hexamita 16 drops
Day 15 Esha Hexamita 8 drops
Day 16 Esha Hexamita 8 drops
Day 17-23 50% w/c a day
Day 24 Esha Ndx 60 drops
Day 25 Wipe down/clean, 50% w/c

Makes only about 4 weeks. If they have anything would it no be better to treat asap? Leaving a week of 50% w/c's after each treatment.
The wormer Ndx only says treat day 1 then w/c or filter through Carbon so fish are only in the medication for a day?

Steve that sounds reasonable but I havent ever used Esha products as they are not a thing here.

Have you seen this thread?

https://forum.simplydiscus.com/forum/main-discus-topics/disease-sickness-and-medication/medicine-cabinet-and-disease-info/364-quarantine-questions

It kind of documents my views on QT and my rationale.