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  • danotaylor
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    • May 2018
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    • Aussie living in Cincy
    • Daniel

    #46
    Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

    The learning curve continues…without incident in case you’re wondering, just a steady acquisition of knowledge related to this new journey….

    I was looking at old posts FS on the MFK site to ascertain price variations for the different pure strain and hybrid rays hobbyist breeders are selling, and I came across a term I was not familiar with….”fully rolled”. It was in the context of a male being sold who was sexually mature and proven as a dad. The term relates to the male sex appendages known as claspers. When a male matures and becomes sexually capable to produce pups the tips of the claspers split open and “roll” to form the opening through which sperm exits the male and enters the female. Whoda thunk it!

    As I examined Scooter, my male, I discovered his claspers are indeed “rolled”, albeit not “fully” as yet, but confirmed by experienced breeders on MFK that he is mature enough to produce offspring. Happy dayz

    Here’s a pic of Scooter and his claspers for reference as to what I am talking about…

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    This is a very interesting and exciting aquatic journey. More to come I’m sure

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    • LizStreithorst
      Moderator Team

      • Jan 2005
      • 13905
      • Moselle, MS

      #47
      Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

      Originally posted by danotaylor
      You are very welcome Pat!!



      That's hilarious mate...I'm a trekky myself, but next gen was my mojo! Make it so!
      Next gen for me, too. That and Voyager. I didn't much care for Deep Space 9.
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      • brewmaster15
        Administrator
        • Apr 2002
        • 30091
        • Northford,CT,USA

        #48
        Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

        Originally posted by danotaylor
        The learning curve continues…without incident in case you’re wondering, just a steady acquisition of knowledge related to this new journey….

        I was looking at old posts FS on the MFK site to ascertain price variations for the different pure strain and hybrid rays hobbyist breeders are selling, and I came across a term I was not familiar with….”fully rolled”. It was in the context of a male being sold who was sexually mature and proven as a dad. The term relates to the male sex appendages known as claspers. When a male matures and becomes sexually capable to produce pups the tips of the claspers split open and “roll” to form the opening through which sperm exits the male and enters the female. Whoda thunk it!

        As I examined Scooter, my male, I discovered his claspers are indeed “rolled”, albeit not “fully” as yet, but confirmed by experienced breeders on MFK that he is mature enough to produce offspring. Happy dayz

        Here’s a pic of Scooter and his claspers for reference as to what I am talking about…

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        This is a very interesting and exciting aquatic journey. More to come I’m sure
        Danny thanks for the info there! I had never heard of that term either.Sounds like scooter is well on his way to fatherhood soon. Awesome !
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        • danotaylor
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          • May 2018
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          • Daniel

          #49
          Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

          Originally posted by LizStreithorst
          Next gen for me, too. That and Voyager. I didn't much care for Deep Space 9.
          Yea, same here Liz. The early seasons of voyager were great. I too never really got into DS9, not for lack of trying, just found the ho-hum of space station life a little dreary. The was the odd good episode…

          Originally posted by brewmaster15
          Danny thanks for the info there! I had never heard of that term either.Sounds like scooter is well on his way to fatherhood soon. Awesome !
          You’re welcome Al. I sure hope so!! He’s persistent, I’ll give him hat much. He focuses his attention of Murphy, the brown based female and pretty much leaves Dotti alone. I don’t know if that’s a sign that Murphy is ready and Dotti is not. We’ll see I guess!

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          • Second Hand Pat
            Administrator and MVP Dec.2015
            • Sep 2010
            • 33295
            • Central Florida
            • Pat

            #50
            Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

            Very cool Danny and perhaps pups soon!!

            Trekie here also. When the first ST came out I wasn't a fan. It grew on me later. Also wasn't much for Deep Space 9.
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            • Charlyc11
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              • Sep 2021
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              • Jarrettsville, MD
              • Carlos AKA Chuck

              #51
              Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

              Originally posted by LizStreithorst
              Next gen for me, too. That and Voyager. I didn't much care for Deep Space 9.
              Strange New worlds is the best and I have seen them all twice +. Captain Pike always has a great hair day.

              Love those rays
              Last edited by Charlyc11; 08-21-2024, 05:39 AM.
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              • danotaylor
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                • May 2018
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                • Daniel

                #52
                Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

                Originally posted by Second Hand Pat
                Very cool Danny and perhaps pups soon!!
                Pat
                Thanks Pat!! I sure hope so
                Originally posted by Charlyc11
                Love those rays
                Thanks Chuck!!

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                • danotaylor
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                  • May 2018
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                  • Daniel

                  #53
                  Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

                  When I was feeding my rays today I happened to notice that my male, Scooter, had shed 1 of his barbs. If you got to post #29 you can see a pic of the double barb w new barb emerging underneath.
                  Once she’d when in captivity, these need to be removed as quickly as possible as the rays can injured themselves trying to eat the barb. A quick search along the substrate was carried out, and this is what I found!

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                  You can see a little horseshoe shape on the attachment end, a very sharp point, and rear facing very fine serrations down the entire length on each side. I gently rubbed my finger along the serrations tip to base, the direction it would enter anything stung, and it is very smooth. Rubbing base to tip, the direction it would have to be removed, reveals the flesh tearing serrations, which make removal difficult & very painful!
                  The other interesting feature is the groove in the underside of the barb where it lays against the tail, and it curves upwards away from the tail, I guess to make for efficient penetration. Ouch!
                  I haven’t tried hand feed as yet LOLZ
                  Last edited by danotaylor; 08-27-2024, 03:16 PM.

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                  • Iminit
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                    • Mar 2020
                    • 3402
                    • Long island
                    • Tom

                    #54
                    Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

                    Pretty cool! Look like it could cause some damage. Don’t think I’d try to pet them

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                    • danotaylor
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                      • May 2018
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                      • Daniel

                      #55
                      Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

                      Originally posted by Iminit
                      Pretty cool! Look like it could cause some damage. Don’t think I’d try to pet them
                      Indeed mate. Steve Irwin found that out the hardest way possible His run in was with a salt water ray, and, as I have discovered recently, fresh water rays are more toxic to humans that SW! Steve got hit in the chest though and the barb penetrated into the sac surrounding his heart, so not just a hit to the hand or foot. Cryin shame. The bloke was a legend and his passion for wild animals and their habitat was unhinged!

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                      • brewmaster15
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                        • Apr 2002
                        • 30091
                        • Northford,CT,USA

                        #56
                        Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

                        It was a real shame with Irwin but I always wondered when something like that would happen. I think he sometimes just forgot that these critters were wild unpredictable animals. He definitely was a legend... his kids are walking well in his shoes I hear.

                        That barb looks like it would make one awesome arrow tip.
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                        • danotaylor
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                          • Daniel

                          #57
                          Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

                          Originally posted by brewmaster15
                          I think he sometimes just forgot that these critters were wild unpredictable animals
                          Yea, I think he thought all the wild animals would understand his heart for them and love him as much as we did! Lolz

                          Originally posted by brewmaster15
                          That barb looks like it would make one awesome arrow tip.
                          Indeed mate, the only problem would be accounting for the curve!

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                          • brewmaster15
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                            • Apr 2002
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                            • Northford,CT,USA

                            #58
                            Re: New journey; freshwater stingrays…

                            Originally posted by danotaylor
                            Yea, I think he thought all the wild animals would understand his heart for them and love him as much as we did! Lolz


                            Indeed mate, the only problem would be accounting for the curve!
                            piece of cake. use two.. curve to curve. if they line up right you would get a double beveled broadhead.
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                            • danotaylor
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                              • Daniel

                              #59
                              So I was watching my male ray make the moves on one of the females tonight, who I think is already pregnant btw, and I got a snap on my cell of a little love bite…right on her eye stalk! Ouch Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3757 Copy Copy.jpg Views:	0 Size:	120.4 KB ID:	2754909

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                              • Second Hand Pat
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                                #60
                                Not a good love move on the males part Danny. Cool on the maybe pregnant female. Once you have pups can they remain with the adults?
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