Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

[John_Nicholson]

Re: Shawn: Have You Withdrawn? First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Its hard to count in the picture but are you saying you raised roughly 20 discus to that size in a 3-5 gallon tank?

-john

[shawnhu]

Shawn: Have You Withdrawn? First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

John, everything is documented, unlike what you claim to be. I'll save you the trouble of reading the thread. Yes, over 20 Discus is currently being grown in that 5 gal tank.

I expect a followup comment, don't worry John, I have my flame suit on this time.

[nc0gnet0]

Re: Shawn: Have You Withdrawn? First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Shawn,

Thanks for posting the update. I must admit I figured they were dead. I would be curious to see these fish at a year of age. The early months is where you lay the foundation for good development. Shortcomings in this foundation become increasingly obvious as the fish matures, often resulting in decreased potential in things such as total size, shape and a less than ideal immune system.

Everyone will measure your experiment with a different tape measure to determine if it was indeed a success. You did manage to keep them alive under what many of us would consider far less than ideal conditions (myself included). For this I commend you. However, when comparing your fish to some of the other contest fish at the same age raised using more conventional methods. I myself can see a big advantage to sticking with the conventional ways.

On another note I see you took exception too a lot of the negative comments made in regards to your fish. I do not know if this comment was directed at me in part or not, but I would like to state for the record I do not recall any such comments being made by myself regarding your methods, but what I did take exception to was your blatant disregard for the contest rules themself.

Rick

[shawnhu]

Shawn: Have You Withdrawn? First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Rick,

I appreciate your honesty. In fact, I do resent the distrust that you showed, but the blame cannot be with you alone. You are right, rules were not followed, and I have withdrawn because of those reasons.

Trust me when I say I take no offense when people call the fish I have less than ideal. My fish are not show fish, never claimed them to be. My methods are not the best, never claimed that either. But for some reason, some folks here seem to think they are. It's the attitudes and hostilities that is evident here that is troubling.

I hope I've made it a little clearer.

[shawnhu]

Re: Shawn: Have You Withdrawn? First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

as promised

[Chicago Discus]

Re: Shawn: Have You Withdrawn? First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

What are you feeding them

[shawnhu]

Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Josie, Al's FDBW when I have time to soak them, and TetraBits when I'm on the run.

[yim11]

Re: Shawn: Have You Withdrawn? First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

It's the attitudes and hostilities that is evident here that is troubling.

I agree, it is getting bad...

It saddens me further that so-called veterans to this hobby remain cynical and closed minded. I sure hope I don't get that way in my later years. I'd sooner quit the hobby than let myself become filled with such distrust and bitterness towards other hobbyists.

John, everything is documented, unlike what you claim to be.

[Chicago Discus]

Re: Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Josie, Al's FDBW when I have time to soak them, and TetraBits when I'm on the run.

That's what I thought but I always feed the cubes so I couldn't tell LOL....Josie

[shawnhu]

Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Josie, I've seen the cubes in action, they are great!

[Kal-El]

Re: Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Nice video... They may not be big like Josie's contestent fish, but they sure eat well. Great job raising them the non traditional way. Like you said, not everyone can do WC 100% daily. For what you end up doing they aren't bad looking Juvie.

[John_Nicholson]

Re: Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

" I have my flame suit on this time"......Why? I am not mad at you. This is a problem with the PC world that we live in. If someone disagrees then the other party has been taught that they have to be offended. In fact I posted a speech given by one of the brightest minds of our time...Dr. Carson who is currently the head of the pediatric neurosurgery at John Hopkins where he addresses the evil that is political correctness. If you get a chance check it out....but moving on....Why would I be upset? You have proven most of what the old timers have said. That what you are doing is a crappy way of raising discus. You have proven that. The biggest fish in that picture is at best 1/2 the size and 1/2 the weight it should be. My reason for posting was to prevent new discus keepers from reading this and thinking it was a good idea........I like to use examples so here is one....Now folks it is just an example. I personally hope that his new baby grows up to win a Nobel Peace prize in Physics and wins an Olympic Gold medal but what you did to those discus is like saying you and your wife are going to raise your child in a 2 foot by 4 foot room and at age 12 it weighs 23 pounds, is 29 inches tall, and trying to tell everyone it was a success because the child is alive. Once again it was just an example. I do not put animals on the same plane as humans in real life. Just trying to drive my point home.

-john

[pastry]

Re: Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Shawn, sorry for being one of the ones who pushed you into this competition. I should've thought more about how bad you would be critiqued. After seeing that last video, please just keep pushing on and posting. There are still more people on here that actually encourage you than the other ones who are still afraid that your competition thread will infect us all with the wrong discus ideology. There are even more people who have SD accounts that will not post due to seeing stuff like this but still read on since this SD is a great hub for information... it's just not always an easy place to ask a question (and dear God don't anyone reply with a "You better have tough skin" crap). Hell, I actually found myself getting on someone here and felt disgusted with myself. I ended up PM'ing them, apologizing, and still have great discussions with him from time to time. So keep on keeping on, brother!

[John_Nicholson]

Re: Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

Pastry he has 20 fish in a 5 gallon tank....how long do you want him to continue with that approach? The fish are already 1/2 the size they should be. Do you expect them to rebound?

Also I am not trying to get on anyone. I do not personally know him and he is probably a great person. I just disagree with approach on raising these fish. It does not make him or me bad people. We just disagree.

-john

[shawnhu]

Withdrawn - First attempt at breeding Discus - Log

John, you may be respected around here for your Discus knowledge, but in my book you are a pretty horrible person. I would NEVER bring your wife your kids, or anyone else you loved into this conversation. This is about Discus, don't try to make it into anything else.

For you to use my unborn child as a platform for attack is downright low and dirty. The reason I've had to pull away from these fish is because of complications in my wife's pregnancy and her health, but you've made it apparent that you could careless about others. Because all you see, is that my methods differs from yours, and you seem to have something to prove by bashing on others.

There's quite a few things I want to say but I'll hold back, as I've stated earlier, I'll continue to update as long as I can for those that have given me support. I will not risk locking this thread for the likes of you, John.