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    Hey Marvin,

    glad that you are back, I was just thinking of you the other day...hope that all is going better for you

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    Welcome back Marvin

    Good to hear from you. When you have time, it would be good to hear what you found out about the past problems you had.
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    Glad to see you're back Marvin! I hope that things are going better for you. If you get a chance it would be interesting to hear what you found out about your water issues. We might all learn something from it.

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    Hey guys!

    sorry for the late response.. oh boy, my bad..

    anyways, the problems was in the water..

    CHLORINE
    - i have some water specialist to come over to test my water and it is positive of CHLORINE. and mentioned to us that even for drinks the water is not safe.

    - a 24hrs. of aging the water is not enough to get rid of the chlorine that is present in the water (the guy came over after 24hrs. and have him test the water for me), it took me almost 48hrs. to clear the chlorine in the water that i aged. i used prime.

    FILTER MINI-CYCLING
    - sorry guys, i don't know what is the term to use to best fit, what i am trying to explain.

    - anyways, at that day, i mentioned that the water is so cloudy.. it is maybe because of the beneficial bacteria that lives in the filter are all dead.

    reason:
    the day before it all happened, i ask my wife to give me a help by cleaning the filter of the contest tank, which she did, but she uses BLEACH to clean it and wipe out the beneficial bacteria. (just my thought) but she said, she rinse it properly and put it back.

    POISONED by BLEACH

    these are the only 3 causes why my fishes behaving like crazy and died in front of me. that i don't have any ideas what's going on.

    LESSONS LEARNED:
    - please, age the water and have a chlorine test to make sure the water is safe for your discus.

    - if you ask someone to do you a favor, explain to them what to do and not to do before you let them.

    guys, those are the only causes that we can come up with.. based on the investigation that we did.. i have a lot of time to do this because i am just at home.. no job yet..

    right now, i am so confident that i'll be successful for my next batch because of what i have discovered. am so excited to be back.. maybe early next year, and who know's my wife have some surprise for me this holiday.. *crossing fingers*

    please, feel free to comment guys! miss you all!
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    Hi Marvin, Like I said before, sorry about the fish. It probably was a combination of everything that you talked about. I had a similar problem with a tank of africans. I am glad to see your back and not giving up on these beautiful fish. On the first batch of discus I ever had, out of 12 I have 4 left. I guess even after all my years of fish keeping, I still had a lot to learn. Understanding the water to me was the hardest part of keeping these fish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRQuad View Post
    Hey guys!
    sorry for the late response.. oh boy, my bad..
    anyways, the problems was in the water..

    LESSONS LEARNED:
    - please, age the water and have a chlorine test to make sure the water is safe for your discus.

    - if you ask someone to do you a favor, explain to them what to do and not to do before you let them.

    right now, i am so confident that i'll be successful for my next batch because of what i have discovered. am so excited to be back.. maybe early next year, and who know's my wife have some surprise for me this holiday.. *crossing fingers*

    please, feel free to comment guys! miss you all!
    Hi Marvin,
    Good to hear you may have found the cause of the problems. It can happen to anyone that was as busy as you then.
    I'm glad you took the time again to explain how this happened and possibly help others. Also good to hear you may be able to get back into discus.
    It is indeed good to hear from you again and I hope you and your family have a good holiday. (have my fingers crossed for you too)
    Take care buddy,
    Bill

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    Hey Marvin
    I am glad to hear that you are back and in a positive frame of mind. Things happen and we just have to go on. If you need my help getting up and going with the way of fish, just drop me a line. I would be glad to help out. Hope that all goes better for you in the new year and that you get a job soon. Happy Holidays.
    Evelyn

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    Marvin,
    I did not see this thread until just now. Oh my. If had I seen this earlier while this was going on, I'm not sure I would have been able to sleep. Glad you've got everything figured it out.

    If you continue to use bleach as a disinfectant, I would recommend keeping some Sodium Thiosulphate on hand. This is the active ingredient that neutralizes Chlorine and Chloramine.

    It is super cheap. A USD$10 bottle will last you a llifetime. Here's an example of an online source. And it is not toxic.

    If you ever suspect bleach poisoning, put a small amount of this in the water immediately. Prime and other water conditioners can only neutralize the low concentration that is typically found in tap water. When using bleach to clean, the concentrations are too high for Prime etc, to be effective.

    Best of luck.

    Tim

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    first of all Im not allowed to send PM to you cause I only have 2 post.

    well...Hi Marvin!, Im Martin Michajtyszyn from Argentina, fanatic of discus (too much) since I was 16, now 32.

    I have read your post and....and it was hard to read and see (the worst). remembers appeared...

    in my case I gave up when I accidentaly killed my pair with overdosis (formol), when I was 18. that was enough. 12 years with no discus.

    in 2006 or 2007 I bought 4 discus for a friend and quarentined them a month. after a metro treatment I did a 80% water change, and in minutes all the discus started to behave very bad, especially the 2 youngest. next day these 2 died. the 2 biggest after other water change were better and they made it. my problem was your problem, exactly.
    the first water change: aged 24hs with no additives with heater and water pump but...the storage was too high and thin so the chlorine couldnt leave properly. this water was the main problem.
    the second water change: I aged water in other storage with better shape and a bigger surface. the problem was solved!

    as you said...24 hs is not enough to take out any extra chlorine in the tap water with no additives.

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    I must say discus fish are not for everyone...I think they are for especial people ready to do the best no matter how.

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    by the way your post.... made me cry.

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    and HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    with HOPE AND... OF COURSE NEW THINGS TO LEARN AND NEW CHALLERGERS!!!! (otherwise itd be boring!! hehe)

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    Martin

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    some story, heart breaking.
    I do what I must do, to do what I wish to do!
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    same thing happened to my quarantine tank last week. lost my 2 albino juvies, if only have read this thread sooner

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    Marvin,
    I don't know you and you don't know me but I have been reading your story on the edge of my seat and with a heavy heart. I am glad there is an ending to this one, not a happy ending but, a positive one. Good luck and I hope this is the beginning of a new venture for you.

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