Quarantine *questions...

[vernon_24]

How is pp used for qt in a tank ???
i've added 1 tbls salt/10 gal and the temp is arnd 28c
they are not discus but Denison's Barb and 6 tetras..!

[Eddie]

How is pp used for qt in a tank ???
i've added 1 tbls salt/10 gal and the temp is arnd 28c
they are not discus but Denison's Barb and 6 tetras..!

Careful with the salt, can take the tetras down quickly.

Many methods of QT practiced. Some will treat and some will not, its up to you. If they are tetras and barbs from a LFS than I would probably decide on treating them, to be safe.

You don't have to use PP. It just depends on what you feel comfortable using to treat external parasite/protozoa.

[vernon_24]

Careful with the salt, can take the tetras down quickly.

Many methods of QT practiced. Some will treat and some will not, its up to you. If they are tetras and barbs from a LFS than I would probably decide on treating them, to be safe.

You don't have to use PP. It just depends on what you feel comfortable using to treat external parasite/protozoa.

is pratzi good enough ???
or do i hv to go with metro too ltr ??

[Eddie]

Prazi is limited, it's not s good broad spectrum external bug treatment. No need for metro IMO.


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[vernon_24]

Prazi is limited, it's not s good broad spectrum external bug treatment. No need for metro IMO.


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then what do i go with ?

[Eddie]

then what do i go with ?

Depends on what you have available. Quick Cure at half dose can be used safely on tetras. QC is a Formalin & Malachite Green combo.

[mikishuhoo]

Is QC good for Discus external parasite too? I'm thinking to treat them for new fish though.

Depends on what you have available. Quick Cure at half dose can be used safely on tetras. QC is a Formalin & Malachite Green combo.

[brewmaster15]

Is QC good for Discus external parasite too? I'm thinking to treat them for new fish though.

Quick cure (formalin +malachite green) is very effective on many external parasites, particularly on protozoans. Many do use it when they get new fish in, others use it after they have a problem and have a good hunch or positive ID on something known to be susceptible to it.. It often comes down to personal choice.

hth,
al

[Celticreds5]

QT questions. I am getting two approx 3 in Snakeskins and 10 neon tetras. They have been in a 90 gal tank with a few other fish including three Angelfish and some coris. The guy is a soldier and is going on deployment, so he is breaking down his tank. He said all fish were healthy and eating well--I haven't seen them in person myself yet, but he sounds like he does pretty well with his fish--he has a saltwater and a freshwater tank. Anyway, I know I will Qt--I have already made the newbie mistake of falling in love with two discus at LFS and adding them to my tank after only 3 days QT. My four new discus got sick along with the two new ones--two new ones eventually died. Mine got better thankfully--so lesson learned! Patience--QT must be several weeks not days! About the QT I bought what I thought was a 10 gal tank off CL and cleaned it up for a QT tank. I kept thinking it looked a bit small for a 10 gal--come to fine out it's only 5.5 gal. It will only be housing the two small discus and 10 neons--with daily water changes, will it be ok? Also it has a small HOB filter--nothing fancy--has the typical blue charcoal pad and a bio pad. Should I replace this with a sponge filter or add in a sponge filter and keep the HOB? One last question--I have a 44 gal corner tank which houses at the moment--4 approximately 2 1/2-3 in discus, 3 Emerald Cories, 2 Pepper Coris and one LF BN Pleco--I will be adding the 10 neons and 2 more small discus eventually. I know when all are full grown it won't be big enough--how long before I should upgrade to a larger tank?

Thanks ahead of time for the help and input

[Eddie]

QT questions. I am getting two approx 3 in Snakeskins and 10 neon tetras. They have been in a 90 gal tank with a few other fish including three Angelfish and some coris. The guy is a soldier and is going on deployment, so he is breaking down his tank. He said all fish were healthy and eating well--I haven't seen them in person myself yet, but he sounds like he does pretty well with his fish--he has a saltwater and a freshwater tank. Anyway, I know I will Qt--I have already made the newbie mistake of falling in love with two discus at LFS and adding them to my tank after only 3 days QT. My four new discus got sick along with the two new ones--two new ones eventually died. Mine got better thankfully--so lesson learned! Patience--QT must be several weeks not days! About the QT I bought what I thought was a 10 gal tank off CL and cleaned it up for a QT tank. I kept thinking it looked a bit small for a 10 gal--come to fine out it's only 5.5 gal. It will only be housing the two small discus and 10 neons--with daily water changes, will it be ok? Also it has a small HOB filter--nothing fancy--has the typical blue charcoal pad and a bio pad. Should I replace this with a sponge filter or add in a sponge filter and keep the HOB? One last question--I have a 44 gal corner tank which houses at the moment--4 approximately 2 1/2-3 in discus, 3 Emerald Cories, 2 Pepper Coris and one LF BN Pleco--I will be adding the 10 neons and 2 more small discus eventually. I know when all are full grown it won't be big enough--how long before I should upgrade to a larger tank?

Thanks ahead of time for the help and input

Honestly, I'd get a larger tank, a 20 gallon at least for the QT of the new fish. A 29 even better! Are you planning on adding a sponge or some substrate from your existing tank to the new one or just relying on water changes? Also, what is your plan for the QT process? Are you just going to monitor the fish and then add one of your existing fish to the QT?

[a volar]

Al.. is this QT procedure still what you do?

I will like to know also if Al still QT fish like he explain in the OP............. are you Al?

[NAB]

I will like to know also if Al still QT fish like he explain in the OP............. are you Al?

I am wondering this myself. I understand this is a bit of a necro post but I really want to get down a good QT setup for the next time I buy discus. So has this changed over the years or is this still a decent guide?

[brewmaster15]

Hi all,
Just saw this and thought I would update. I do much of what I always have done.. though I do tailor it a bit different depending on the condition the fish come in...

For those interested..I had done several Discus Disease and Health Presentations over the years... The following are from a few pages of that presentation. HTH, al

Suggested Quarantine Procedures...
Receive fish: Place into a clean tank with aged (well aerated/pH stable warm water (85-87F). Use a well cycled bio filter.
Week One: Many Frequent water changes, observe fish behavior, and treat for anything specifically noted******. Be sure all fish are eating well and passing normal feces.
Week Two: Prophylactic deworming with Praziquantel for tape worms, several days latter deworm with general dewormer (levamisole) added to water as 24 hour bath
Week Three: Repeat Levamisole as 24 hour bath
Week Four: Let rest, nothing but water changes.
Week Five: Re-dose with Levamisole as 24 hour bath
Week Six: Quarantine is over if the fish are looking healthy and eating well and are not to be mixed with existing stock. If these are to be mixed with existing stock..add least favorite of existing stock (aka Test fish) to new fishes stock.
Week Six-Week Eight: Observe new stock and test fish. If all is well, most likely safe to mix all fish.
**** important note

Quarantine Common Sense:
Maintain complete separation of new stock from existing livestock.
Use separate nets, hoses, buckets, and siphons for each quarantine tank.
Separate rooms are much safer than in room quarantines.
Perform all maintenance on new stock’s quarantine tank after you are done with all existing tanks.
Wash hands and arms thoroughly after working in tanks.
Maintain optimum water quality, less stress means healthier fish
Tank should have a fully cycled bio-filter. Quarantining a group of fish is not the time to be cycling a tank!!!
Be vigilant… catching and treating a problem early on is better than latter when it may be harder or impossible to treat.

Brews Top 11 Discus Health Issues
1. Chemical Poisoning: Chlorine, Chloramine, ammonia, nitrite, heavy metals (ex. copper and iron), Medications. Suggested treatment…clean water and lots of it!
2. Dissolved gases: Low dissolved oxygen or high dissolved C02/nitrogen etc. Suggested treatment ...age and aerate water.
3. Improper Shipping and Handling Techniques: Suggested treatment…prophylactic screening of suppliers and buying only from reputable ones.
4. Improper care of Discus at Vendor’s Shop: Suggested treatment…prophylactic screening of suppliers and buying from reputable ones.
5. Well meaning but inappropriate or inaccurate advice. Suggested course of action…Check references…information abounds in the internet and pet shops, both good and bad info.
Improper care of Discus on the part of the hobbyist. To keep any fish, a basic knowledge of species requirements and needs exists…Discus require a bit more than basic knowledge. Suggested treatment…Learn as much as you can!!
7. Poor Tank Hygiene Syndrome: Suggested treatment….Be less stingy with the water changes and maintenance.
8. “Charlie Brown Christmas Tree Syndrome” A fish that is sickly or poor quality when you buy it isn’t going to miraculously turn into a beautiful specimen. Suggestion..start with obviously healthy stock, not obviously sickly or low grade stock.
9. Hobbyist Mediated Pandemic: Occurs when a hobbyist recklessly acquires many specimens in a short period of time from multiple sources…mixing these together with existing stock then leads to Immune Overload..aka..sick fish. Suggested treatment….Learn patience and adhere to a sound Quarantine plan!!
10. Nutritional deficiencies…Largely unknown how this affects Discus specifically.. But what we do know is that every animal needs an adequate diet.. Suggestion…feed a varied diet to your discus of quality foods.

And finally…… Number 11!!!!


11. Gill flukes, external and internal protozoans, nematodes, bacterial infections, viruses, “plagues”etc…..

Why is this one listed last in a talk about Discus Diseases and health you may ask?…

Because! If you pay attention to the first 10 conditions mentioned you may not even need to worry about number 11! A healthy fish that has all its needs taken care of and is not stressed has an innate advantage when dealing with diseases and illness..

[NAB]

Thanks for updating this Al.

[DonMD]

Thanks for posting this QT